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I got CoVid in Osaka at the beginning of November 2019. The symptoms lasted around 5 months. I got it again in May 2021 and this time I was fully recovered in 3 weeks.

I got vaccinated, even during the second infection I felt extremely tired and slightly confused, I want to minimize as much as possible the risk of repeating again.

update: For all the down-votes. Time will say. But "A new study shows that first cases of coronavirus infections could have appeared in China between October and mid-November 2019". It fits with my experience. https://www.dw.com/en/covid-study-cases-spread-in-china-earl...

update 2: I arrived to Osaka Airport (KIX) on 9th November, I had symptoms 3 days later.

update 3: Stop down-voting the people that says that it is impossible. It may be the case, I am just sharing my personal experience in case it clicks somewhere. I can be wrong and it could have been a virus with very similar symptoms. I didn't wanted to start a war of up votes and down votes, that adds nothing to the discussion.


> in Osaka at the beginning of November 2019

On what basis do you believe this was covid-19 and not some other disease?


I had the same symptoms that I had the second time. The second time was confirmed by PCR-test.

But, of course, it could have been an equivalent disease with the same symptoms: fever, mental-fog, sore-throat.

It is just the timing, the fact that Osaka is visited by many Chinese nationals and the feeling was so similar that makes me quite sure that it was covid-19.


Those are symptoms of literally every airway infection known to man. Is is much, much, much more likely you had a flu/heavy cold instead of having Covid 1 month before the first public Chinese cases and 3 months before first European cases


Also that if the first disease wasn't covid, getting covid the second time around isn't that unlikely, but if the first disease was covid, getting covid again was shockingly unlikely (not impossible) because of the degree of immunity granted by the first infection.


I'm sorry but Covid wasn't in Osaka in November 2019. You definitely had some other disease like the flu.


Given it was in the US at least in December 2019 if not earlier according to the NIH retrospective serology study it doesn't seem to be completely impossible. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-offe... Also similar Italian serology study by National Cancer Institute showed that sars-cov-2 was circulating in Italy as early as September 2019. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-...


No. It's impossible. There was no outbreak in Osaka. A disease as virulent as Covid with only a single person infected is not likely at all.


Do you happen to work in a biolab? How do you know you had covid in November 2019? The first known cases in Japan aren't until January 2020. And the first reported case in China is November 2019.


> I got CoVid in Osaka at the beginning of November 2019.

Impossible, cases did not appear in Wuhan until mid-late November. You must have had some other flu/virus.


Maybe you are right and it was something else. But, it was very similar and the timing is quite close.

I just feel to share it if it may help someone to build a timeline. And, as I have said in another comment, Osaka has many many Chinese visitors and I was in a very busy airport. I doubt that it took a lot of time to jump from China to other Asian countries.


Yes there’s a small chance of it being COVID then, was there an Osaka-Wuhan direct flight!


I don’t think it’s impossible, unlikely given current information. Of course that information can change…


Impossible is a very strong word, there are samples of people from months before covid was identified in Wuhan that are under investigation. Not specifically in Japan, but it can't be ruled out with the current information.


Simple Queue Service (SQS)

It's just polite to write the meaning of acronyms.


> And I hate being forced into a _team_.

Maybe you would like to be able to shit on the street, but there are laws against it because it would be unhealthy and probably also because people would find it "indecent". I know that not be able to shit in the street limits your freedom and forces you to be on the non-shiters team. But, I think that it is for the good of society.

Maybe vaccination is different, and then we can discuss that. But just to say that you do not want to live in a society with rules seems quite extreme.

And sorry for the shitty example, but I was trying to find something not yet politicized.


> who will gladly put in effort to take your place.

That sounds completely alien to my experience. I go on vacation around 2 months a year. I work only the stipulated hours. And I have a great job, with great conditions, working with amazing people, learning things and having fun.

This kind of mindset and approach to life gives me a peace of mind that allows me to have meaningful discussions, to mediate in disagreements and to not be too invested so I can easily adapt to new circumstances. Working "harder" just creates a tunnel vision, maybe is ok if your job is to sit in a chair and do nothing. But for any job that requires mind or body to be in shape, you need vacations and take it easy to perform at top capacity.

On the other side if it really as you say and everything is about competition, then investing so much in just your job is going to make you lose at the rest of non-work competitions in live. But, I do not think that this is true.


> are you really that important?

This is a very self-centered view of the universe. No, you are not important nor you need to be.

I do my job, if I leave someone else is going to be hired to do it. That is how it works.

If you are "important" then you should be receiving a share of the profits, not a salary. A salary just means that you can be replaced, no matter how high it is.

I guess that it is a cultural thing, that many people have been convinced to work extra hours, to not take vacations, to slave away their lives for a sense of "self importance".

I get a fantastic salary, I enjoy my work, but I am not important. It is difficult to replace me, it took 2 years to get another person in my position. But, if I tomorrow leave, the company will manage. I bring value, but I am not the center of the universe. I bring value, but I am not irreplaceable. I bring value, but I have to take (by law) vacations and the company will continue running without me.

All jobs in a company bring value and the employees needs to be respected for that. It does not matter if you have a low-paid low-skilled job, you are still being paid because you bring value and you should be respected for it. And you should be able to go on vacations, because the goal of all this capitalist thing is to make our lives better, to be slaves we do not need capitalism. If in your society low-paid low-skill workers cannot take vacations, then you are failing at bringing well-being, health, and meaning to the members of your society. And for what? To produce another plastic shit that will be polluting the ocean in one month? To show more ads to people that cannot afford to buy more shit?

I guess that this is a difference in society values. But for me the question "are you really important" should be answered as "yes, because I have friends, family, children, hobbies, etc." and what you produce is only a small part of that value.


> to pirate that work

I doubt that copyright existed in the Stone age, so it's public domain.

> they weren't sure it was good enough? A bit of self-conciousness on how my stick figures are a lot less realistic than Bob's paintings in his cave?

It could have been a curse, a pay to get better hunting that some other people in the tribe or even a new religion. I agree that is difficult to say, I hope that future discoveries get more light into this drawings.


>even a new religion.

I was going to suggest it being against their religion. Maybe Ra was punishing them because they realized how to use the Stargate.


> We know the rules of society are arbitrary, set up so that the show can be played out to its conclusion.

This seems wrong to me. Most society rules have a reason to exist. Maybe, in the past century a few of that rules have become obsolete. But humanity is excellent at creating rules that makes things good enough to keep going.

There is nothing that makes a society change its rules like a change on the environment.

> We should not be surprised that Western societies are showing signs of mass psychosis.

The "everything is going to hell" theory. And, as often happens, without any proof or care to explain.

> More generally, locked in, locked down, and locked out, the population’s confinement within the highly controlled environment of the internet is driving them crazy.

*Them. I guess that the author is immune to this effect.

I love festivals, and they make for a great opportunity to meet people and create community. Also, festivals are an opportunity for a community to present respect to folklore heroes and their moral values, and to laugh at villain and their lack thereof. Festivals are not to for "blow off steam".


> Most society rules have a reason to exist.

Quite some rules are affected by such reasons as "power begets power" - incumbent rulers/influencers tweaking the rulebook to reward incumbent powers and compliant populace and punish contenders.

> Maybe, in the past century a few of that rules have become obsolete. But humanity is excellent at creating rules that makes things good enough to keep going.

> There is nothing that makes a society change its rules like a change on the environment.

From evolutionary perspective, I'd say people make up all sorts of changes, to a large degree at random, according to their own appetite. Then environment does its things, especially but not necessarily with factors not well understood by the societies, and wipes out the societies which can't survive in the new environment.

For example, the USSR has played out the game of "more power to the center, more limitations for the public, more punishments for the dissenters" until it couldn't operate anymore. And increasingly lots of people have seen it coming, some of them decades in advance.

Of course you can say "well but most people have survived and now the society has re-made itself", sure, but the society as in the set of definitive, durable, observable social constructs has ceased to exist.


The period directly before the fall of the Soviet Union was one of liberalization and opening up. If any thing, the history of the Soviet Union was on of decreasing repression (in fits and with some set backs) after Stalin's death. You also have to be really careful of historical predictions. Lots of people make lots of predictions. Most of them are wrong, and most of them aren't remembered.


Liberals cause communism, liberals cause the end of communism—it's just hard to keep these vague political bogeymen straight sometimes.


Liberalization in this context has nothing to do with the current usage in American politics.


Liberalization was blamed both before the Soviet Union was established, and again when it was dissolved. You should be thinking of the former usage of both "liberals" and "liberalization".


> Most society rules have a reason to exist.

Well, it depends how broad your definition of 'rules' is.

I've known people who consider it a 'rule' that when wearing a suit you should not do up the jacket's bottom button.

I can imagine a person who used this expansive definition might see a great many rules as arbitrary; and enjoy a festival where rules could be broken.


> The "everything is going to hell" theory. And, as often happens, without any proof or care to explain.

How about an algorithmically-driven, heavily addicted, Brave-New-World-resembling globalized society?

Why has the concept of 'proof' been lifted so many thousand kilometers off its place as a useful tool in scientific conduct, and placed over common sense?


> We know the rules of society are arbitrary

Author clearly has an underpowered pattern recognition module.


> > We know the rules of society are arbitrary, set up so that the show can be played out to its conclusion.

> This seems wrong to me. Most society rules have a reason to exist.

They do have a reason to exist but that doesn't mean the rules are not arbitrary.

Stop signs for example. They actually indicate that extra caution should be taken at the crossing. Actually stopping is rarely a necessity unless you want to obey the law to the letter. It's an arbitrary rule designed to decrease local accidents.

Flirting at the workplace is another. It's more complex, but it's still an arbitrary rule, one that we might do without, it's all about what specifically we're trying to achieve (less romantic/sexual complications - positive and negative - at the workplace) with this arbitrary rule.

There are less arbitrary rules of course, like not hurting other people, but most rules governing day-to-day life are highly arbitrary, to the point where you live an incredibly boring life unless you're a "criminal" - I don't stop at all stop signs for example, which by definition makes me a criminal. I also use drugs recreationally.

> Festivals are not to for "blow off steam".

Depends on the type of festival. I'd say all of them offer a fresh experience out of the regular day-to-day life (which could be defined as "blowing off steam"). Some might be more "transcendent" than others.


There is a really good reason for stopping fully at a stop sign. If your speed and that of the cross traffic vehicle is matched appropriately, the vehicle will occupy the same position (remain stationary) in your field of view. That can cause you to miss seeing the car. By stopping then looking, the car will appear in motion against a still background making it much more likely to stand out.


Sure, that's a good point, but it also applies to crossings without stop signs. :)


At least where I am (NE US), there are very few intersections that are uncontrolled in all directions.


Bicycles can also be completely blocked by the car pillars due to this effect.


Each time it gets more one sided: efficiency VS robustness.

The more heterogeneous a system is the better it scales. But errors spread fast as most of the system depends on a very small set of services.

When I was a kid, if one of the neighborhood shops had to close the rest were open. Only a power outage would make many shops stop operating, but many others will work on only-cash and it would be a minor inconvenience.

But this neighborhood shops could not operate at international level, nor make its owner the richest person on Earth.

In a not so distant future we are going to have to choose between mega-corporations that can crash the economy or smaller companies that are subject to the evolution pressure of capitalism.

I hope that taxation is increased globally. That would be the equivalent of reducing the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere. And as gigantic animals cannot live in a less oxygen-rich Earth, big corporations cannot live without tax-cuts and special deals with city governments.


> “A younger-looking face creates impressions of higher physical and mental fitness,” the authors write. “Our results suggest that these impressions may indeed be a powerful driver of favorable employment outcomes.”

It is possible that there are other explanations. Older developers may want better salaries, better working conditions, be harder to manipulate, etc.

Good leadership is going to hire people that fits in the culture of the company and have the needed skills. Whenever the candidate is younger or older does not matter.

Bad leadership wants cheap employees that obey orders and don't challenge authority. Younger, more inexperienced developers will fit this category, even if they are technically skilled.

This is as good a theory that any other one to explain the fact that recruiters want younger developers.


> better salaries, better working conditions, be harder to manipulate

That's me. I only 36 and I absolutely do not buy the corporate bullshit that someone's product is going to "change the world" through some incremental improvement of some software as a service. I am strongly against exploitative business models. And I know how much I am worth. When interviewing I like to give the CEO a little push back and see how they respond. I'm not going to work for someone who gets flustered when I question their thinking.

I will however provide a lot of value for a team I am comfortable with.


Nothing else in the resume changed, though. Just the picture. The age was still listed truthfully, demands didn't change, and the experience was the same.

If bad leadership wanted cheap employees, that is easily filtered by hiring folks with less experience (for example) because those folks tend to be younger.


I'm kinda with you there. There are more jobs for junior developers, and higher salaries for senior ones. That kinda correlates with age too. If I see someone 60 in tech, I assume they're either:

- A wizard, who spent 40 years knee-deep in technology.

- Someone with management experience.

- A flake-out who never did either.

I'm also less likely to cold-call someone more intimidating for random job screening, but more likely to reach out for something aligned to their skill set.


I hope that the FDA has learned from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and the Boeing 737 MAX catastrophy. Credibility is easy to be lost and hard to be gained again.


The FDA hardly had a good reputation in the first place. The Vioxx fiasco was not too long ago.


Are you arguing that vioxx should not have been banned? Iirc the FDA did not ban vioxx, it was a voluntary withdrawal.


Many deaths linked to Vioxx could have been avoided if the FDA had done its job. Incompetence seems to be a feature of federal agencies.


What job is that? Long term studies showed it’s no more risky than ibuprofen for long term use. I’m not sure there’s a pain killer we’ll ever have that isn’t bad for you when taken in high dosage for years at a time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rofecoxib


>Credibility is easy to be lost and hard to be gained again.

I disagree. If you have media in your team, this is easy, given some time. Particularly in current times when you have a treasure trove of possible distractions that you can make the media throw at a gullible public.

If one looks closely, then I think CDC/FDA etc have lost credibility a long time back. The real events portrayed in documentaries like "What lies upstream" and movies like "Dark Waters" should be enough to reject these agencies outright.

What is enormously surprising to me is that, not only we consider them very credible, but are also willing to consider their word as unfailable and final in many cases.

Even more sad thing is that the power of CDC/FDA extends even to many developing countries, so this affects much more than their home country.

[1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5165878/

[2] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9071322/


They already have a problem with p-hacking


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