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Strong disagree. Zoom in and the clusters break up. Without the clustering, the map is a total mess when zoomed out.

There’s a place for clustering but it doesn’t need to be so aggressive

IRCv3 (and many clients are supporting fair chunks of IRCv3's feature set) supports offline state and message history.

I'd call that a pretty major feature omission since it means splitting things across multiple apps.

Why is it a major feature omission? Screen sharing isn't an easily solvable problem, there aren't any good FOSS libraries out there (at least that I'm aware of).

Expecting a way way way smaller team that didn't get $1billion in founding, like Discord did, is an extremely poor mindset to have.

All you're proving is the need to implement a tech tax to force companies to fund FOSS at the behest of the federal government, which frankly I'm all for.


It's a major omission because the voice and video integration is one of Discord's killer features. Sorry that it's hard, but something that doesn't integrate those seamlessly isn't a discord alternative

Okay, I'm sure if they got $1billion in funding they could implement the same feature but expecting a way smaller team with way less resources to have parity with such a company is just unrealistic.

I'm not expecting anything from anybody, but I'm also not switching to a discord alternative that doesn't support those features

Zulip is a website packaged into an electron app. It does not take $1billion to implement webrtc into a website as screensharing + video / audio calls are a solved problem on the web (Zulip is a web app).

Where did you get the idea that it takes a ton of money to do it?


Discord's main competitive advantages:

* Centralized identity, and participating in multiple communities at once: People sign up once, then navigate to whatever autonomous communities they choose quickly.

* No hosting requirement (good for ease of use): Want a new autonomous space? Create it! Boom! No installation, no hosting, no monetary cost.

* Video streaming: No other chat client does this easily. Not Mumble, Ventrilo, Teamspeak, or these chat programs.

If you want to defeat Discord, particularly in the gaming server arena, you need to make interacting with multiple servers better and you need screen/video streaming.


> Create it! Boom! No installation, no hosting, no monetary cost.

Don't Discord servers have free tier caps? A few of the larger ones I'm on beg for Nitro boosts/packs from premium users for capacity and features.


Discord's main competitive advantage was getting a cool $1billion in founding and being able to support a massive team without the need to worry about profit for the entirety of its existence.

Nobody gives a shit about that man. I don't care if it's unfair. I care that this app does the things I want. How it came to be is entirely irrelevant to me.

No different to ising Slack and Zoom which is a very common combination.

It is when you're talking about competing with Discord which has very good voice and streaming support

So.. just because a tool can be potentially mishandled (e.g. put in the hands of a toddler, which is basically what vibe code ends up being) because it's easy to use, you never want to take a look at said tool?

That sounds like shooting yourself in the foot out of pure spite, but you do you.


Astro is enabling vibe coders with a section of the documentation that gives advice on using AI, an Astro docs MCP server, and a copy of the documentation that is specifically formatted for LLM use.


I'm getting off-topic with this, but a quick aside:

In my teens I began to learn that most of the people on my father's side of the family were horrifically broken people with severe issues. There's at least one town in New Mexico where I wouldn't want to use my last name because an uncle of mine has run it deeply through the mud and 20' underground so to speak.

I've actively cut those people out of my life. I've decided that blood isn't the only thing that makes family, and that I can choose who I want to treat as family.

The infighting bastards who happen to share my last name are not my family.


Mr. White, is that you?


I need a new belt for my SuctionMaster Pro 9000, urgently.


I try to consider how I feel about this, and all I come back with is an emptiness, a follow feeling.

I'm not going to gloat, nor am I going to consider him even remotely a good person based on things he's said and done. I will never know him outside of his works and the things he's said and done, so I can only judge on those merits.

I guess all I can really do is shake my head and wonder what could have been had he not completely lost his way; his death by cancer was likely (not guaranteed, but there's always some hope if treated early and properly) preventable, but he made a choice.

I guess I'll just remember the early, funny, too-true-to-life material and try not to think too much about what happened after that.


--[not] remotely a good person? Depends on the metric I guess. Adams-- helped and cheeredd up thousands (millions?) of people, said racist stuff. --You (probably) or me --helped maybe one or two people, didn't say racist stuff.


I'm reminded of the dril quote about drunk driving, or the LoGH one about Frederica being made happy.


Unlikely. MajorBBS had the ability to act as a SLIP/PPP connection back in 1993-1994 but most people would have still gone with a full ISP.


Wildcat was unique because it still required you to interact with the BBS. With majorbbs the bbs would be relegated to an internet provider and their bbs would disappear.

Wildcat was like aol for bbs but it immediately brought users to a web browser so they could get internet connectivity while still getting a pop up of the BBs’ services.

What you are missing is that “full isp’s” did not exist until about 1996, 1997. And even then AOL and secondarily Compuserve where the go to providers. Wildcat absolutely challenged that status quo in an independent manner


I wouldn't even call it a "race" to the bottom. It took until maybe 1995 for prices to drop enough for some of the clone manufacturers to start going out of business. Radio Shack caught on around 1991 and got out early, but Zeos didn't go out of business until 1995 for instance.


Ditto. Every time I get a "Hey, you should send your father a happy birthday message!" it's a stab to the heart over someone dead over 12 years now.


I don't get those, so there's definitely a setting you can change fwiw


oh yeah, he should spend his time figuring out some settings. and lucky him the behavior of that setting might change without notice, so he should also read all the terms updates and keep current on whats what.


Victim blaming detected.


Only if you give my comment the worst possible reading, which goes against the guidelines as you well know.


I think we can all agree that obnoxious / potentially harmful features should be off by default.

The authors of such a feature gave not more than a trifling thought to anyone's perspective but their own.


Yep, I think it's a plague and I wish we weren't here.

I was just trying to help the guy out. I didn't defend those absolute turds.


it's a shame that people have to use this crapware on daily basis.


That's been my experience. The Pi 3 was notorious for killing SD cards, for instance. I know one guy who eventually just moved all Pi 3 installations he made over to USB sticks because every Pi 3 he used would just kill SD cards at random but far faster than they should have. Not many write cycles at all, just surged the cards or something.


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