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I wrote a 20,000 line multiplayer battle-arena game in XNA back in 2015 with manually coded physics (so everything is there in the code) and have tried several times with Claude, Gemini, Grok, DeepSeek, and GPT to translate it to JavaScript.

They all fail massively 100% of the time. Even if I break it down into chunks once they get to the chunks that matter the most (i.e. physics, collision detection and resolution, event handling and game logic) they all break down horribly and no amount of prompting back and forth will fix it.


I wrote an entire multiplayer game in XNA that I've tried repeatedly to get LLMs to translate to javascript

it's just utterly hopeless how bad they are at doing it

even if I break it down into parts once you get into the stuff that actually matters i.e. the physics, event handling, and game logic induced by events, it just completely falls apart 100% of the time


I felt this the other day. I wouldn't even consider my example exotic, p2p systems using electron? It just couldn't figure out how to work with YJS correctly.

These things aren't hard if you're familiar with the documentation and have made them before, but what there is is an extreme dearth of information about it compared to web dev tutorials.


Don't see how output being public domain makes sense when they could be outputting copyrighted code.

Shouldn't the right's extend forward and simply require the LLM code to be deleted?


With many asterix and footnotes. One of which being that if it literally output the exact code, of course that would be copyright infringement. Something that greatly resembled but with minor changes would be a gray area.

Those kinds of cases, although they do happen, are exceptional. In a typical output that doesn't not line-for-line resemble a single training input, it is considered a new, but non-copyrightable work.


(I'm not a lawyer)

You should be careful about speaking in absolute terms when talking about copyright.

There is nothing that prevents multiple people from owning copyright to identical works. This is also why copyright infringement is such a mess to litigate.

I'd also be interested in knowing why you think code generated by LLMs can't be copyrighted. That's quite a statement.

There's also the problem with copyright law and different jurisdictions.


It is the official stance of the US copyright office.

It was upheld by Thaler v. Perlmutter.

Bartz v. Anthropic and Kadrey v. Meta confirmed with similar rulings.


First, you have to prove it that it produced the copyrighted code. The question is what copyrighted code is in the first place? Literal copy-paste from source is easy but I think 99% of the time this isn't the case.

"LLMs can be quite effective writing code de novo."

Maybe for simple braindead tasks you can do yourself anyway.

Try doing it on something actually hard or complex and they get it wrong 100/100 if they don't have adequate training data, and 90/100 if they do.


Gee idk could be toxic environment

medical industrial complex

toxic food

air pollution

enshittification happening in all industries

it's destroying the integrity of the human genome with each subsequent generation worse and worse and will result in a culling of the species over time toward more stable subgroups likely in more remote regions not affected by these things as much


This is entirely due to sociopaths that stole trillions in assets from the general population then bought out law makers to not outlaw their blatant copyright infringement so they can make themselves richer with some self-proclaimed 'noble' aim.

The general population is being rapidly sacked as a 'necessary' expense of criminal elites.

No one should be happy about this.


Yes, and that.

If you look at the “who is looking for work december 2025” there are hundreds of replies of people with 5+ years experience

we’re so cooked


Just leaving this here. I switched to Librewolf when this happened and never looked back:

https://youtube.com/shorts/FObvkFtr2ZU?si=U6fCphjmGcNMb5ac


I wasn't aware people were still using Mozilla after they changed their terms a year ago in a user-adversarial way. That's when I dropped them and never looked back myself. They basically removed a line in their terms saying they will never sell your information to third parties. It's gone now. So they will. And with this announcement with AI, they're just jumping on the 'get as much information from the user as possible and sell it'.

Needs to cease to exist at this point. It is part of the cancer.



Takes drastically less effort to get good at programming than other disciplines

Want to be a professional accompanist? Good luck. You better have been taught since you were a child and quickly picked up sight-reading and were good at it for the last 20 years.


I'm sure that's true, but there are different kinds of "difficult" that rely on different kinds of effort.

how exactly are the goal posts moving?

the code and output is literal slop

it's not known how much editing and debugging was done by the team either

you could have done this in 2022 with not that much debugging as well


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