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Lines of code is not, and will never be a metric for gauging project contribution.

Most of that 850,000 lines of code is likely boilerplate setup code.


850,000 loc vs what looks to be an initial commit and a merge: https://github.com/klbouman/hopstools/commits?author=klbouma...

if I'm wrong here please point it out


Okay, how about tweets from Andrew Chael himself? https://twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/111651854732747571...


Incredible, that a purported programmer/software engineer in 2019 thinks that someone's Github commit history is the sum total of all their work. Not only that, you seem to be completely ignorant of how to find someone's Github commits to repos that aren't owned by their account.

https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/graphs/contributors


You're right, I had assumed that the project that she was the owner of on her github portfolio was her primary contribution - I jumped to conclusions without digging any deeper and I'd delete the comment if Hacker News would let me.


I fear people are down voting you for having been wrong originally rather than for this comment.

Which is a shame, because we all do things this stupid sometimes and your frank admission of having done so is laudable.

Nil desperandum carborundum illegitimi.


"Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight." —Bill Gates


I'm really glad that option is there. I had an emergency involving a seizing dog and a round trip to the vets office. The driver was incredible and would have gotten a whole $9 if I couldn't tip.


What would prevent you from just giving him some cash out of your physical wallet?

In general you are getting a ride from someone. Other than the fact that with legacy taxis you tip, (just like at a restaurant) where it doesn't really relate to quality of service, I don't see how much extra someone can do that would make a ride tipworthy.


> What would prevent you from just giving him some cash out of your physical wallet?

Perhaps this is just a difference depending on where you are in the world, but I'm not used to people in first world countries carrying cash.


Well here's an easy life hack then: enable tipping in any delivery app by keeping a single bill in your pocket.


I just spent two weeks in the UK as a tourist. I had a wonderful time. Perhaps it was me? But I used cash much much more than I do in the US. I pulled out my credit card in a pub and got scolded. Perhaps because I was outside the big cities?

It might be me but I perceived the culture in smaller town Scotland to be more cash oriented than I am used to in the USA.

I personally saw more people pay with cash than I am used to.

I still love your country and will go back at any time.


> I pulled out my credit card in a pub and got scolded.

Probably because you didn't have chip and pin.

If an establishment takes a card without chip and pin in the UK/Europe, the fraud rules are very different.


Excuse me? I certainly DO have a chip and pin, thank you very much!!! The scolding was from fellow patrons. "Why are you waving around that card? That isn't welcome around here. That's not how we do things around here." They didn't have card readers in sight either so..... I was expecting to pay cash anyways, I figured I'd just try card first... I just felt very embarrassed trying to pay card in a cash establishment. It was very clear it was an "old school" type establishment....

I do have chip and pin and I wouldn't have left without a chip and pin card (I have more than one out of my 8 credit cards, not counting debit cards...which I have several as well...). There was absolutely zero reason to believe a perceived lack of chip and pin was an issue from what I wrote.

Also the fraud rule are/will be different in the US as well.

I went to a deli they told me that I have to ahev £10 minimum to use a card. I went to a restaurant and they had a £1.50 surcharge for card as well and encouraged me to pay in cash.

The first time I used card while I was there was at Wetherspoons... lol...

I also base my feelings on my personal observations of watching other people pay for things as well. Of course my "feeling" could be off base as well. People are known for getting a wrong impression sometimes.

That being said - I still love Scotland and will visit again in a heartbeat. In fact I hope to visit again in the near future!


Small town Scotland, sure, a bit different. But small town Scotland is, by population, a tiny fraction of the UK.


That came dangerously close to being a literal "no true Scotsman" dismissal of the GP's example...


Haha it was a literal no true Scotsman dismissal. That's funny. That being said, I'd really love to hear the opinion of a smaller town Scots(wo)man who has traveled/lived other places on their opinion of card/cash "culture" vs other first world countries if they are any around here.

The reason I went to the place I went was because the primary purpose of my trip was to visit someone.


Of course! But I was replying to "people in first world countries" and giving my personal experiences. :)

I've also been all across small town USA :)

I really hope I don't offend. I don't mean to.


I don't think anyone's offended. But I think it's acceptable to say "people in first world countries" when one actually just means "the overwhelming majority of people in first world countries".


No, that's not at all acceptable to move the goalpost in that way at all! How completely and utterly ridiculous!


Uh, in which first world country exactly? I'm not aware of any place in western europe where carrying cash is uncommon.


It's uncommon to carry cash in New Zealand. Everything is done with eftpos and credit cards.


Even more so with paywave, which is all over Australia and becoming more common in New Zealand. I don't think I actually inserted or swiped my card more than once a week in Brisbane.


Pesky EFTPOS "minimum purchases."


Germans almost always pay with cash and rarely use credit cards. It's cultural. I think it's one of the reasons why Greece is getting screwed so hard by the troika: cultural norms and the societal moral confusion v/v debt.


NZ, Australia, Scandanavia, France, even England I've got around largely without much in the way of cash.

Interesting that Germany is different.


Sweden, Norway, Finland.


Really you don't keep £50-100 for small purchases on you what happens if its late at night raining and your card gets eaten by the machine and you need a taxi home?

Also if its a crowded pub waiting while you dig you card out and slowly use the one machine your holding every one up.


> Really you don't keep £50-100 for small purchases on you what happens if its late at night raining and your card gets eaten by the machine and you need a taxi home?

No? Why would it get eaten by a machine?


Never had a card get damaged by accident and retained by the machine? I have and had to walk 4 miles in the rain home.


I think drivers are discouraged from taking cash because companies like Lyft don't want people to assume drivers are carrying lots of cash, for safety reasons.


I guess that doesn't make sense to me. I thought one of the bedrock principles of these types of services was a situation where you knew a bit about the person (reputation) that you were transporting.

Additionaly, nothing is to prevent a driver from keeping a small amount of cash on their person and then stashing the rest periodically in a hidden safe. So yes they might lose $50 or $100 vs. not getting tips. Even if they don't get tips a person could assume they had some cash on them.

The point of the small amount of cash is twofold. One it's a small amount so if you lose it not that big of a deal. But it's also enough that if you got robbed you could give something to the robber. So they don't harm you or beat you thinking there is more somewhere. [1] This is similar to the old rule of leaving a small amount of cash in your cash register at a store and leaving the register open. That way someone comes in, takes the cash, and in theory has less of a reason to trash your store.

[1] Of course you could store more of the money where you can find it to satisfy them if the $100 wasn't enough and if you felt your life depended on it. Kind of a honey pot in a way.


A lot of people don't carry cash in their physical wallets nowadays, since it's not generally very useful.


If you're having a hard time using it I'm happy to use it for you!


What common use would you find for it that I couldn't do just as well with a credit card?


Cash has great privacy, works at cash only places, small merchants are happy to receive it because it means no fees, you get a discount when buying gas, the aforementioned tipping (good luck giving the valet a credit card!), it works when the power is out and a lot more I'm sure. Cash is pretty great. Even if you don't carry it you should definitely keep some at home.


Cash has great privacy - for some people, this is a non-issue. For me, I actually like the fact that credit cards have a record, at the end of the month I can look at my statement, and see all the places I spent money and how much. I can graph it, etc.

Works at cash only places - this probably varies around the world. In Australia, most places will accept card - the exception being Asian places, cause we're cheap =).

Small merchants are happy to receive it - I suspect this is changing, the fees are next to nothing these days, and by not handling cash, they avoid issues like employee theft, and also people are encouraged to spend more.

You get a discount when buying gas - we don't have this here (Australia)

The aforementioned tipping - likewise, we don't have this here. In general, I prefer to know how much I am spending beforehand, and I dislike the concept of tipping, or people needing to beg for tips.

It works when the power out - err, I suspect if the power is out in say a supermarket or a restaurant, they would have more issues than just the credit card machine not working.

I'm not saying never carry cash - but I like the convenience of card. And let's be honest most people aren't keeping their money stuffed inside their mattress.

Their money is in a bank account - and not in physical notes either, it's a set of electronic digits. So the whole, going to a bank, converting it to cash, giving it to somebody, so that they can then convert it back into electronic digits - seems incredibly archaic and outmoded.


Imagine that you're on a date. You've got a nice evening planned, only to run into a state-wide blackout. Now the trick is to get food at all. You see this restaurant with a lot of cars out front. Turns out they have gas grills, so they can cook some kinds of food. (Not french fries, though - that machine's electric). They're working by candlelight, adding up the tab on a hand calculator, pouring pop out of bottles, and they are not taking credit cards.

Been there, done that. Only once, but yeah, it happens.


The last time I had to go shopping during a blackout, the few places I went to that were open were still taking credit cards. Maybe it's just a regional thing.


Sure - they had standby power, so they were operating normally. The place I went to didn't.


One big earthquake in SF and the Valley will start to see the value of cash.


> some cash out of your physical wallet

Some what now?


Even in the US, I don't know anyone who regularly carries cash anymore.

Why would you want the hassle? Or risk it being lost/stolen?


I want it so that I don't have the hassle.

You want to buy a bottle of coke from a vending machine? Most of them don't have card readers.

You want to tip the valet/bellman/maid? Most of them don't have card readers; even if they do, it's still inconvenient to make them dig it out.

Feeling compassionate toward the beggar on the corner? Think he's got a card reader?

Want to pay the babysitter? Does she carry a card reader?

Then there's the other side of risk. Ever had your identity stolen? (I have, though not from a dodgy card reader.) And if you think chip and pin is going to make that impossible, I expect that the crooks will find a way.


Feeling compassionate toward the beggar on the corner? Think he's got a card reader?

I don't panhandle, but I am homeless. In fact, I have a PayPal account. IIRC, I could get a card reader from them if I wanted it (though, in practice, I might need a better phone than I currently have to make that work).

Although I am posting this merely because it strikes me as humorous, it isn't crazy to think beggars may soon have card readers, at least some of them.

I carry small amounts of cash (in part to print e-gift cards at the library) and do as much as possible via debit card/paypal/online payments/etc.


> You want to buy a bottle of coke from a vending machine? Most of them don't have card readers.

I never have that urge tbh.

> You want to tip the valet/bellman/maid? Most of them don't have card readers; even if they do, it's still inconvenient to make them dig it out.

Yeah, when I'm on vacation I'll run to the bank and get some $5 bills for that sort of thing. Hence "regularly" was the word I used. I'm not on that sort of vacation 51 out of 52 weeks a year.

> Feeling compassionate toward the beggar on the corner? Think he's got a card reader?

I donate directly to large charities that I know provide food, etc. to people. I honestly don't see beggars on street corners [largely because the local police are assholes].

> Want to pay the babysitter? Does she carry a card reader?

Actually yeah. She does.

> Then there's the other side of risk. Ever had your identity stolen? (I have, though not from a dodgy card reader.) And if you think chip and pin is going to make that impossible, I expect that the crooks will find a way.

Yes. If you meant actually identity theft [e.g. social, driver license] so they can masquerade as you...a lack of credit card provides no protection. The insurance companies you use, your employer, your bank, and dozens [if not hundreds] of "big data" companies have this info as well.

If you somehow believe a lack of a credit card will magically secure you against this risk, you are very much mistaken.

Stolen credit cards, honestly, are much less of a problem than stolen cash. I can get the money back from a stolen credit card.


Yep. In the last several years, I've only ever carried cash on two types of occasion: fairs and trips out of town.

If I'm in town and not attending a fair, I don't have cash on me. Period.


I worked in a US based office for a global company. The benefits were pretty awesome- down to them paying for my home internet, but our US based benefits were still quite weak when compared to our counterparts around the globe. The US working hours were longer and when I went on overseas assignments I found that their quality of life was higher than ours overall. It's quite depressing.

When I started looking for a job last March I realized that the monetary compensation from the offers I had were within a few thousand of each other but on only one of the interviews did multiple employees bring up that they were a true 9-5 and people actually get mad if you reply to emails after hours or do work during your off time. Their offer was $4000 less than the others and they didn't seem like they wanted to negotiate. I took it anyway and I now work 40 hours or less per week, I leave my computer at the office and I don't feel guilty for not having access to work when I am not at work. So even though I make a little less yearly, I am making quite a bit more per hour.

I wish more people in positions of choice would prioritize a true work life balance. Not only has it been great for my physical and mental health, non-developer employees get the same treatment as it sets a company standard.

I can't believe how long I bought into the culture of giving up a personal life to get a head at work. I used to put in 60-80 hour weeks and still feel like I wasn't contributing as much as I should. Now I have hobbies(!) and I think I solve more programming problems working in my garden than I ever did sitting in front of a computer.


Their offer was $4000 less than the others and they didn't seem like they wanted to negotiate. I took it anyway and I now work 40 hours or less per week

You made the right decision. Until time can be purchased, let alone at a decent price, time is the most valuable thing you have. You only have so much of it and we're giving it away to poorly managed companies like it grows on trees.


"Until time can be purchased, let alone at a decent price, time is the most valuable thing you have. "

This is so critical. It is sad people realize how much precious time they have only when it is running out. Yes, one needs to work but unless the work is also a healthy passion one should have time for other things in life.


I am a female programmer in my mid thirties. I've had careers before tech, I learn new things all the time.

I have the ability to tell the difference when someone is treating me a certain way because I am a newbie or because I am a woman.

It's incredibly insulting that every time this is brought up it's written off as women not understanding basic human interaction.


"I have the ability to tell the difference ..."

But that's the whole point: it's hard to tell! Of course the classification is easy at the end points (super helpful guy vs total arrogant jerk) but towards the mean the probability of false alarm is much larger. Geeks are a diverse bunch, it may just be that the guy is from another country where interactions are different or it may be just that he's a bit awkward initially because he does not interact with women daily (it happens).

I think the correct approach is to give them the benefit of doubt for a while before labeling them as dudes or whatever. Isn't that the golden rule?


I always give people the benefit of the doubt? Why would you think that women aren't?

I am an awkward person with social anxiety. The idea that women like myself aren't already doing that is part of the absurdity.


If you actively look for something to be offended about, you will find it.

I don't think it stems from ignorance so much as forced, willful ignorance to reinforce your own cognitive biases.

It borders on delusion if you get offended by a friendly, non-threatening gesture in a cooperative environment.


Why would you think that women are looking for something to get offended about?

If I was looking for something to get offended about I wouldn't hide behind male usernames on Stackoverflow, my local user groups, Hackernews (obviously not this account) and Github to avoid conflict. I just want to be a normal part of tech communities, on and offline.

It's absurd that you can write off the large portion of women who say there's a problem because you don't want to examine you're own internal biases.


> Why would you think that women are looking for something to get offended about?

Clearly, not all women are looking for something to be outraged about. However, there is a vocal minority that loudly takes offense at friendly gestures, like in this particular instance. That's what I take issue with.

> If I was looking for something to get offended about I wouldn't hide behind male usernames on Stackoverflow, my local user groups, Hackernews (obviously not this account) and Github to avoid conflict. I just want to be a normal part of tech communities, on and offline.

That's more of a consequence of the erosion of anonymity in the Internet, than you being a woman.

> It's absurd that you can write off the large portion of women who say there's a problem because you don't want to examine you're own internal biases.

Large portion of women according to whom? I'm not writing off anybody either, I'm asking people to critically examine a concept and judge for themselves. I think you ought to think for yourself a little bit more, onee-sama.


>That's more of a consequence of the erosion of anonymity in the Internet, than you being a woman.

No it's a consequence of men seeking out my social profiles on other sites and offering to give me "extra help". Also dick pics.

>I'm asking people to critically examine a concept and judge for themselves

That's exactly what you're being asked to do. Women in the spaces, including myself, aren't looking for things to be angry about, we are looking for acceptance and the ability to enjoy our hobbies/passions and professions in peace. Insisting that everything is just a misunderstood friendly gesture is ridiculous and part of the larger culture that make certain groups of people feel unwelcome in tech.


Could you be any more condescending?


Exactly. What people seem to ignore is that getting along takes work, takes giving people the benefit of the doubt, and it takes leaving your ego at the door. Otherwise you are difficult to be around. When people complain that they are "constantly belittled" in cooperative environments, as stated in the article, with emphasis on constantly, that signals that their negative interpretation is the common factor in all these normal interactions with random people.


>getting along takes work, takes giving people the benefit of the doubt, and it takes leaving your ego at the door.

And once again, why do you think that women haven't already examined this and realized that the interactions they have in certain environments are something beyond needing a little understanding? It's not like women walking into hackerspaces haven't been around nerdy, awkward men before- half of them are nerdy, awkward women.

Implying there's a simple solution that is summed up as "women don't understand!" is ridiculous.


> Implying there's a simple solution that is summed up as "women don't understand!" is ridiculous.

Are you really suggesting that because these women have a hard time integrating in communal environments, that it means all women have problems integrating?

Constantly being irritated with how everyone interacts with you is personality trait, found in any race, gender, orientation, or identity. It's not genetic. I'm not sure why you're saying these people speak for all women.


It happens to men too though. There are arrogant colleagues I have to stop when they explain things to me I already know. And I didn't even ask for it. I don't know if they just think that everyone besides them is an idiot or if they just like to show off.

On the other side, I am maybe a bit too conscious about these things. Sometimes it is very hard to judge someones skill level. There are a lot of people who somehow manage as programmers without knowing even the most basic things. I find it often hard to explain these basic things to them without seeming like an arrogant showoff.


Women also have to deal with those arrogant colleagues, and then we get to deal with the outright sexist ones and the ones who don't realize they are treating us differently because we're women.

When these things are brought up it's not to say only women have to deal with these things- we get to deal with all the regular bullshit and a little extra.

Like a an extra layer on a bullshit cake.


Thank you!!! Yes!


Can you show an example of this?


>I don't know if it's a poorly throught through PR stunt or if it's just a vanity / mid-life crisis thing, but it sure wasn't executed smartly.

Or he just wanted to do what he thought was the right thing. I hire day laborers through a local service on a regular basis. I pay the workers directly and I am supposed to give them $9 an hour. I typically pay them $15-$20hr an hour at the end of the day.


I make at least one round trip flight at least once a week. The thoroughness and extent of my search varies greatly depending on which co-workers I am traveling with. When I am traveling with mostly white co-workers it's very quick. When I am traveling with non-white co-workers we always end up waiting on at least one or two people who have been selected for a secondary screening.

Nice to know that this time consuming, expensive and racist process is also pointless.


As a brown skin, I love how often they randomly check the person in front of me OH and me too :) They at least try to pretend its random now as opposed to pre TSA when I would get picked all the time for random screening directly out of a large line.


I wonder what the racial profile of the red-teamers are (the ones assigned to try to smuggle stuff past the inspection points)? I'm really curious as to whether or not the skin color of the red-team agent played a part in getting caught.


I wonder that too.. I can only guess that if your name begins with K or ends in Z, or something with K and Z in the name you get flagged.

My ex-wife's son, Kruz gets flagged every time for secondary screening, from when the TSA first started, until even recently... he hasn't traveled yet without being "randomly" selected.


This made me realize I don't even own an FM radion anymore. I need to grab one for my emergency kit.


Jumping between projects can also be seen as spreading knowledge and good practices around.

It would probably be much easier for them to stick to one thing but that wouldn't fully utilize them as a resource.


I spent an obsessive night searching through documents via online 'reading rooms'. I don't have the links anymore but theres mounds of documentation showing intelligence agencies doing shady shit like this to try to break up civil rights groups. Fun look ups are 'blank panthers', 'san francisco', 'socialist', any black leader.

San Francisco seems like a broad term but there's so much interesting stuff, they were watching school teachers in the 60s and 70s and trying to create distrust within communities that were too left leaning.

http://vault.fbi.gov/search http://www.foia.cia.gov/


The word to search for is COINTELPRO. Tim Weiner's Enemies: A History of the FBI goes into some detail about it, and its notes probably provide pointers to the relevant documents.


they still do this. Occupy was absolutely insane on this level, and we were small fish comparatively.


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