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Why on earth should Twilio have KYC controls during account opening?


As a programmatic telephone company, they're a possible (but not really probable) base for fraudulent spam calls. With KYC, and the fact that Twilio requires you call from a number you control, fraudulent calls would be easy to trace back to a person who could be charged for the calls. Much better than status quo, where it's very difficult to get to the originating phone account, and if you could, it's probably not really connected to a person.


Why should Twilio do this when nobody else does?


Keeping their traffic clean makes it easier to interconnect, and in an ideal world, they want to interconnect with everyone


Surely the overheads of any useful KYC are way too high for this to work? And basically nobody in this industry does KYC, so how do you propose that would meaningfully affect their interconnects?


Tesla is far behind everyone else on navigation due to the simple fact that Teslas do not have Carplay. There's no Waze on Teslas, how can you drive without it?

But here's how the current Mercedes navigation looks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCgy3askMcM The AR stuff works really well and is arguably way ahead of anything Tesla offers.


Hard disagree on this one. I have both a 2021 Tesla Model Y and a 2021 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid. Overall, the Tesla system is much better than the Toyota Infotainment system. For example:

  * Tesla maps has a much better zoom/scroll feature (faster, more detail, smoother).   The Toyota map requires you to hit the "zoom" button and then click zoom-in/out

  * The calendar tool built into the Tesla allows me to easily navigate to the appointment location.

  * Tesla maps have way-point selection (set an additional stop between start and end) 

  * The Toyota Infotainment system does not appear to have a "night mode".  Thus, the display puts out a ton of light during night-time driving (even with the brightness level set to minimum)

  * Waze is way too "chatty" for my taste

Because of the above, I am forced to use Apple CarPlay in the Toyota because the default UI experience is so horrible. Overall, I like the Toyota (great gas mileage), but I much prefer to drive the Tesla.


Great, your Tesla has better infotainment than ... a Toyota.

> * Waze is way too "chatty" for my taste

You can adjust that.


None of what you listed is applicable to Android Auto/CarPlay, which is exactly what parent was saying. For Android Auto it is a $100 device to make the system wireless so you don't have to pull your phone out of your pocket.


Sorry, but the parent to my specific comment did not mention anything about Andriod Auto/Carplay. Their comment specifically said "Tesla is far behind everyone else on navigation due to the simple fact that Teslas do not have Carplay". I am pointing out this is definitely not true.


That's a deeply confusing interpretation. The correct reading is "Carplay brings better-than-Tesla navigation to any car."


I've used both Tesla and Honda's Carplay for ~2 years now. I really enjoy Carplay (and the phone integration is a huge plus), but a few things:

- re: waze - huh? Google Maps is just fine. The differences are such a personal preference that they are moot.

- The touch controls on Carplay are not great. Try pinching and zooming on Google Maps in Carplay and its awful. (note - I do think Tesla misses the boat on having more physical controls as they almost rely entirely on touch...which is unsafe and not great)

> But here's how the current Mercedes navigation looks

Looks awesome, but that appears to be on a €185k ICE car.


>- re: waze - huh? Google Maps is just fine. The differences are such a personal preference that they are moot.

Waze tells you where cameras and cops are, Google Maps usually does not.

>- The touch controls on Carplay are not great. Try pinching and zooming on Google Maps in Carplay and its awful. (note - I do think Tesla misses the boat on having more physical controls as they almost rely entirely on touch...which is unsafe and not great)

I don't think I've ever needed to do this, it always automatically positions the map correctly.

>Looks awesome, but that appears to be on a €185k ICE car.

Pretty sure the pricing starts at €94,540. They also have an EV at around the same price, but it's an all-around worse car.


> Waze tells you where cameras and cops are, Google Maps usually does not.

Cameras are only really relevant in Europe. We don't really have these in the US. I do get the cops angle - google maps doesn't really do this.

> I don't think I've ever needed to do this

Tesla uses google maps under the hood and its auto adjustments are incredible (as good as Waze). However, every once in an awhile you want to "look ahead" and the Carplay simply sucks for this feature.

> Pretty sure the pricing starts at €94,540

It literally says in the description:

PRICE OF THE MODEL IN THE VIDEO: 185.269 EUR


>Cameras are only really relevant in Europe. We don't really have these in the US. I do get the cops angle - google maps doesn't really do this.

Well yeah, in Europe we don't have cops on the roads. In the US you don't have cameras, but have cops everywhere. You still want Waze in either case, probably more so for the cops.

>PRICE OF THE MODEL IN THE VIDEO: 185.269 EUR

This has to be including local taxes, which in some EU countries can double the price of a car.


Waze is not able to plan a route with all the charging stops you need. Waze is fairly bad in an EV.


It's not really surprising, the 3 big German automakers spent around 3 billion USD to buy (at least at the time) the best mapping product on the market.


This is an obviously fake story. Similar to the consumer drone panic that's been going on in the Nordics.

A few months ago all the Nordic medias seemed convinced that this guy with his "4 terabytes of encrypted data" must have been a Russian spy, of course that turned out to not be true. (Russia has satellites, the idea that they'd need people to go scout out Nordic infrastructure with consumer drones was and is preposterous)

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/xgJ238/dronedoemt-russer-til-vg-...


Except Russia has had spies do precisely that in the past in Estonia? They even did a prisoner exchange for a guy who got caught.

> An unredacted five-page document tells a fuller story than anything Zinchenko offered in our four hours together. Vasily was one of three different handlers over the space of his eight years as a GRU agent. (Zinchenko would tell me only that Vasily introduced him to another man with whom he’d sometimes communicate.) He’d meet with each one face-to-face at liaisons in St. Petersburg, only a five-hour car or bus ride from Tallinn. Each handler tasked him with surveilling Estonia’s “objects of national defense” and its “vital services,” defined under Estonian law as critical infrastructure, power and electricity, telecommunications and banking services.

> Zinchenko spied on Paldiski, a garrison town where Estonia’s elite Scouts Battalion, a veteran unit of both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, was stationed. He also spied on Vasalemma, where NATO’s Ämari Air Base is located.

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-ex-russian-spy-flees-to-the...


This is typical busy work given to agents to make them feel important, to test their loyalty and ability to accomplish tasks provided. For the most part, it's not actually supposed to result in useful intelligence.

Also there's a huge difference between tracking military equipment movements and power infrastructure. Power infrastructure doesn't move and can't really be hidden.


Apparently valuable enough to do a prisoner exchange for.

I also doubt the quality of the optics in Russian satellites.


> I also doubt the quality of the optics in Russian satellites.

Uh, why? I can understand doubting the electronics in their satellites, but the mirrors? Why do you think Russia can't polish mirrors?


The US is so tight-lipped about its spy satellites, even the resolution of their images are classified, and it forces US commercial satellite operators to degrade image resolution as well. Maybe I'm wrong, but if it were trivial to do, then someone should launch a satellite imaging startup outside of US jurisdiction.


> even the resolution of their images are classified

Yeah, but physics isn't. Good resolution requires large mirrors. Large mirrors require large satellites. These aren't cubesats we're talking about; optical American spy satellites have 2.4 meter wide mirrors and are more than 10 meters long. The only non-US/Chinese/Russian rocket that can launch such a satellite in principle is the Ariane 5, but AFAIK they don't fly that to polar orbits.

In any case, not many people have the equipment laying around to make such large mirrors, or the expertise, or a stockpile of such mirrors. Russia likely has all three, or certainly once did.


>Apparently valuable enough to do a prisoner exchange for.

You don't do prisoner exchanges because of the valuable contributions of that agent, you do prisoner exchanges to ensure future contributions by other agents.

>I also doubt the quality of the optics in Russian satellites.

They're just fine. What kind of quality do you think they need to hit a power plant with a missile? Most of their missiles aren't that precise anyway.

There's only an extremely limited set of circumstances where drone footage of power infrastructure could be useful.


In any event, Russia does send spies to do precisely what you insisted they don't.


Your article says nothing about the nature of the surveillance. It does not in any way dispute my previous comments.


Nepotism can provide an alternative explanation for prisoner exchange even if the actual task was literally busywork


If it was about nepotism, we'd presumably be talking about an officer and not an agent.


> I also doubt the quality of the optics in Russian satellites.

Doesn't Leica have a reputation for world-beating optics?


> This is an obviously fake story

Yet you provide no data to convince anyone otherwise. Outside of scrap, also electronics stores over here have signs now which denote the amount of electronics you can carry over the border into the Russia (not exceeding the value of 300€) which suggests there is a reason to do so.

Related to your article, if something sounds ridiculous it's the explanation given in your article of the unemployed man travelling from Russia to take drone pictures of a cottage for a friend. Very reminiscient of the two "tourists" "just visiting" Salisbury.


> Outside of scrap, also electronics stores over here have signs now which denote the amount of electronics you can carry over the border into the Russia (not exceeding the value of 300€) which suggests there is a reason to do so.

Yeah, sanctions. Luxury goods are limited to 300 euros. https://tulli.fi/en/-/import-and-export-sanctions-on-goods-a...

The purpose is not to disrupt Russian military supply chains, but to make Muscovites pay higher prices for their grey market iPhones.

>Related to your article, if something sounds ridiculous it's the explanation given in your article of the unemployed man travelling from Russia to take drone pictures of a cottage for a friend. Very reminiscient of the two "tourists" "just visiting" Salisbury.

The Norwegian government agreed that his story checked out. Also, I'd suppose that wealthy unemployed men make up a decent chunk of tourism in general.


The purpose of sanctions is not only to limit access to luxury, but also to restrict things that are loosely considered dual use "things", such as components that can be repurposed to be part of military purposes - see https://ek.fi/ajankohtaista/uutiset/venaja-pakotteet-qa-vast... section 8) since you seem to be fluent in Finnish


Your previous comment is exclusively observing the effect of sanctions on luxury goods.

You generally can't buy the mentioned dual-use goods in your local electronics store. Look up the "EU dual use control list", it mostly covers exotic stuff like electronics adapted to operate in extreme (temperature, radiation) environments.


I totally believe Russians importing broken/used electronic stuff, but I completely believe it’s because throwaway culture hasn’t caught on as much there.

Could be due to culture, skill or poverty/economics. Or all three.

At least on aliexpress, reviews for random spare parts/components are often from Russians.


This is how you end up doxed, hacked, SWATed and with fake blogs created in your name advocating legalisation of pedophilia and whatnot.

It's better to just not. If you spend any amount of time running IRC networks you will soon discover that there are plenty of people who see this as a game, you're probably not up to play.


You have no idea who I am, but keep telling yourself that you do.

I’ll give you a hint: I have been on IRC for 29 years.


Please don't respond to a provocation by posting in the flamewar style. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

I'm sure your long experience with IRC would be quite interesting to HN readers but for that you need to share information, not get into spats.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Nobody cares about who you are. You are nothing but an extremely sad irrelevant person that considers being on irc for 29 years some sort of an achievement.


Can you please respect the site guidelines so we don't have to keep banning you?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


> I think GDPR violations are a civil thing only (?).

Correct, however most countries have various related criminal offences. (e.g https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/12/section/170/ena...) It's extremely unlikely any of these would be relevant in this context though.


>EU-based governments are at least honest about their intent of spying on their citizens, where the collection & processing of said data is at least subject to due process and can potentially be challenged in court.

Not really. It can be challenged in court in that anything can be challenged in court. There's no real due process.


Would that necessarily cost way more than the custom lenses needed for glasses?


Traditionally* VR lens fittings have been relatively affordable (Quest had them for <$100). That being said, this is Apple we're talking about here... are we perhaps getting a 'Lens Pro Max ME (Medical Edition)'?


Maybe it's obviously bullshit to attempt to hold one of the biggest banks in the US responsible for the behaviour of a single client?


Maybe - but if the bank knew (of course they did as Epstein had been deep in this world for decades), they have an ethical and moral duty to curtail said behavior of said client.

Look at it from the AG's point of view: here's a guy that's a convicted child trafficker and pedophile. We know how he moves his money around, and who is in his network. We know the people who have "donated" to his "charity" and how much money has been moved around. We know he was arrested, did some sort of "jail time" in Florida and was released quietly and quickly. We know that the lead prosecutor on the case was told to drop it as Epstein was "connected to intelligence". We know that the bank continued doing business with Epstein well after the "jail time", and continued doing so for over a decade.

Why on earth wouldn't you want the bank to be held partially responsible? Here's a bank that knowingly did business with a convicted human trafficker and pedophile....and continued doing business with him after his sentence and release.


How can the bank curtail such behaviour? Is the logic that Epstein should have been entirely denied access to banking services?

> Why on earth wouldn't you want the bank to be held partially responsible?

Because the idea that criminals shouldn't be allowed access to banking services is fucking vile. Anyone seriously suggesting this genuinely deserves to be burnt on a stake. Not allowing convicted criminals to vote is bad, but this is infinitely worse.

What next? Shall we require sex offenders to wear special armbands and allow casual violence against them as they try to navigate society?


>Is the logic that Epstein should have been entirely denied access to banking services?

Oh, I don't know - how about YES? If I'm a bank CEO and someone brings it to my attention that one of our clients is a convicted child molester, pedophile, and human trafficker but also a billionaire fronting the cash for a Mossad & CIA backed blackmail operation to traffic hundreds of children so that former Presidents, Primer Ministers, Fortune50 CEOs, British Monarchy, Hollywood stars and other high-society members can commit pedophilia, I would immediately think "oh, shit, this could make us look really bad, and if it leaks that we knew that this client is who he is, it might make us look complicit....maybe we should think about our relationship with this client, and maybe try to get them to bank with someone else"


>So no, this isn't a lapse of justice. just good negotiating or good lawyers.

Nothing suggests that it's even either of those, this is just an entirely predictable outcome.


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