There has always been. This is not additional subject. Politics has always been one subject, with different text for each grade, either it is Maxism, Materialism, Deng and so on. This is not a new subject, just new text added to Politics.
what do you mean, the courses with social political education? It was always there. From my education experience in the late 80s to 00s. But to be honest no one is ever taking it seriously and it's obviously a joke to students.
No, no. Single politics course, they do exists, but never single Maoism course, single Dengism course, etc. Even in colleges and universities they're combined into one single course. This time it's different, China is having single Xi-ism course.
So op venting about shit is "maybe exaggerating a bit" and "important frustration" but other people venting is just "defensiveness"? Yeah sure people have to be nice to any one lmao. Ars Technica literally made a long article about how Haiku worked on a cheap-ass laptop, still no, keep on venting about social disability bullshit, and you're here complaining about other people being angry about op being this rude. Truly the moral standard everyone should follow huh.
> So op venting about shit is "maybe exaggerating a bit" and "important frustration" but other people venting is just "defensiveness"?
From the perspective that Haiku is a product, would you rather have people associate your product with people who took your frustrated feedback to heart or people who told you to shut up because you missed a burreid forum posting about hardware compatibility? If you're an enthusiast of said product, you're doing no one any favors by being hostile.
> Ars Technica literally made a long article about how Haiku worked on a cheap-ass laptop
Which does nothing for someone who couldn't get it to run on any of the hardware they tried it on.
> and you're here complaining about other people being angry about op being this rude
I'm just saying, it's sadly very common, does nothing to help anybody, and leaves people with a negative opinion of their community.
> If you're an enthusiast of said product, you're doing no one any favors by being hostile.
Ah i see you must be too blind to see others have tried not being hostile, failed and get called out as having "social disability".
> Which does nothing for someone who couldn't get it to run on any of the hardware they tried it on.
Sure:
1. People have to help you here no matter what even if you're being very rude.
2. Certainly "it does not work on my machines" to "it does not work on anything" is a very reasonable stretch!
> I'm just saying, it's sadly very common, does nothing to help anybody, and leaves people with a negative opinion of their community.
if someone could just not leave other people with a negative opinion of him/her/themselves lol
> > keep on venting about social disability bullshit
> I don't even know what this means, but have a suspicion that if I did I would have a low opinion of you as a person for saying it.
seriously? lmfao, that phrase goes for you too, shut up and get your shit together.
as for the "does not help anybody" bit, yeah clearly venting like you do helps a heck lot to everybody.
A lot of people have been frustrated about the thing does not work for them (yes including me myself) but why does OP get the hate he/she/they get? If you can't figure that out yourself, you should probably do something else instead of keep posting here.
> People have to help you here no matter what even if you're being very rude.
Not at all. It is entirely possible to simply ignore them. We even have a system of downvoting and flagging for people being overly hostile.
> if someone could just not leave other people with a negative opinion of him/her/themselves lol
That's their problem to deal with on their own. When you represent the Haiku community badly, that's everyone in the Haiku community's problem.
> seriously? lmfao, that phrase goes for you too, shut up and get your shit together.
I deleted that part when I read back to find what you were referencing because I realized it didn't at all mean what I suspected it meant. Although my opinion of you as a person is lowering for other reasons.
> When you represent the Haiku community badly, that's everyone in the Haiku community's problem.
it's truly, truly a sad mental state to consider anyone has to be representing some certain community. really hope someday you can pull yourself out of that.
> Although my opinion of you as a person is lowering for other reasons.
lower it as much as you want my friend, seriously wouldn't mind if some random stupid asshole insists considering me a stupid asshole.
That repo is a bunch of TeX files (not even an implementation) that haven't been touched since 2018. I stand by my statement.
By the way, the Successor ML wiki says[1]:
> Standard ML, being incapable of evolution, is dead. The purpose of successor ML, or sML for short, is to provide a vehicle for the continued evolution of ML, using Standard ML as a starting point. The intention is for successor ML to be a living, evolving dialect of ML that is responsive to community needs and advances in language design, implementation, and semantics.
Again, I stand by my statement that Standard ML is dead.
SML/NJ, as I understand it, is implementing Successor ML features, so one of three things is true:
(1) Successor ML is happening,
(2) Standard ML is alive and evolving,
(3) SML/NJ isn’t just an implementation but a distinct language which is a successor to Standard ML and which incorporates what was described as “Successor ML”.
List is pretty much an interface, and Python lists do support things you expect from a List type, but not from an Array (e.g. inserting/removing things at random positions). The interface doesn't say if it's an array, a linked list, a rope, ... underneath, and you don't need to care at this point.
This is wrong, the Python list supports random access and random access inserts and removals. It's a dynamic size array underneath, and contiguous, so it's pretty much the same as a std::vector of Python objects.
Also notably a Python list does NOT have an efficent pop operation at both ends, only on the far end.
If you use the "mono" slider, it adds the angled line inside zero for differentiation while monospacing the characters. Presumably, you'd want monospace characters for programming, so I think that's fair.
Your criticism is true for non-monospacing, though I think any fonts suffer from that.
There are lots of proportional fonts that have easily distinguished 0 vs. O (usually, zero is thinner, though often some of the distinctions used in monospaced fonts are also used in addition to shape differentiation.)
There are people out there who code in variable spaced fonts. Not sure how they can myself but some report feeling more productive that way, and for them this could be more of a consideration.
A lot of the text animation on that site does not seem to work in Firefox.
The three-D cube of letters on top is supposed to be in a range of weights and styles. On Firefox they are all the same. You can still drag the cube around with the mouse but the characters don't change as they do in Chrome.
The font selection drop downs change the font in many of the features on the page, but this doesn't work on Firefox either. I'm trying it the latest developer version.
There are a lot of sliders and pointer-dragging features that immediately change the text characteristics but none of this cool stuff works on Firefox. At the bottom it says "Made by friends of Google Fonts", maybe that's an indication of their browser alignment.
> P.S.: This world really does NOT need any more look-good-only-under-Chrome websites.
Incredibly, the site actually performs better for me in Safari and Firefox, than it does in Chrome. It's easier to drag the box at the top in the first two, but it's supremely laggy in Chrome.
It's somewhat of a disaster, though: its author probably caught up with the idea of "Language = IDE" & "selling the language for profit" so it's really not that suitable for "real" serious uses.
One rule of thumb that's worth following is to never waste your time reading blogpost like this. If you ever saw a blogpost structured like this, just close the tab.
> Your time spent learning Esperanto may have actually created a solid foundation to learning Mandarin, if that's what you desire to learn!
As a native Mandarin speaker who also knows Esperanto I can tell you this is almost 100% (if not exactly 100%) not the case. If learning Esperanto gives you motivation to learn more, maybe; but the two languages are way too different that it wouldn't help much.
Your case is not only different from the one I'm claiming it helps (you already spoke Mandarin natively) but also I'm specifically claiming it helps monolinguals who are learning their first non-native language. So unless you went Mandarin --> Esperanto --> English and found Esperanto didn't help you learn English at all then I what I said doesn't apply to you. If you were either bilingual before learning Esperanto I don't think it'd have been very useful as a "diving board" to learning another language as you've already have the knowledge of speaking two languages. And I don't wish to make any assumptions, but if you've been bilingual your entire life I don't think you can even accurately imagine what it is like to be monolingual. Bilinguals have an easier time learning a third language than monolinguals have learning a second [0] [1] [2].
I personally give credit to 3 months of learning Esperanto for helping me get over a huge hurdle in my Japanese studies (after 2 years of studying). Not because Esperanto and Japanese have anything in common - but because learning certain grammatical structures in Esperanto helped the Japanese equivalents finally "click" after I had been struggling with learning them for so long. This doesn't seem to be an uncommon occurrence within the Esperanto community (for those with non-Esperanto target languages). The plural of anecdotes is of course not "data" but the studies (however criticized) and experiences of countless people (including myself) all point to it helping.
I hear plenty of stories from people who've never bothered to learn it saying they won't learn it because they'd rather learn their target language instead. It's difficult to even find a story from someone who's learned it and claims it didn't help them at all in learning a non-Esperanto target language. I've tried Googling around a bit - I can only ever find people who shit on conlangs as a concept and refuse to learn one.
The longest and hardest thing when learning a language is learning how to learn a language and that's what I personally believe Esperanto (or any conlang really) helps with. I would only ever personally recommend a brief stint (no more than a month or two) of Esperanto for monolinguals.
Some of what you're saying (knowing one language in general helps you learn to learn other languages) is true, but Japanese and Chinese are so grammatically different that the way structures in Esperanto map to Japanese just doesn't hold the same for Chinese. Mandarin is a highly analytical language (words don't inflect or conjugate depending on grammatical function or context: "He has one dog" "They has two dog") while Japanese is synthetic ("He has one dog "They have two dogs), meaning the latter is far closer to most European languages grammatically than either is to Chinese.
That's not what they're talking about at all. They're talking about learning how to learn a language. Learning a second language gives you meta insight into language learning, which makes it far easier to move onto a third language.
For example, I studied German in college. I never really progressed in it that much, but learning how to learn made learning Korean significantly easier for me. It happens that esperanto can be useful for this as it doesn't have all the small idiosyncrasies and exceptions that real languages have.
It's not Esperanto itself that works, it's the basic linguistics throughout the learning process, i.e. it's the idea of "how languages work (in their own way)" that has the effect. Facts about Esperanto per se do not help. Take a linguistic course and you'll get pretty much the same effect.
Or should I say, imagine Standard Basque: as an independent language, people might have a better time learning Basque because at least they uses latin alphabets.
Oh, and did i mention how closely related Esperanto and English are that your "Chinese -> Esperanto -> English" claim does not suffice at all? :)
Oh, and don't forget you yourself are actually becoming one of the reasons why people "shit on conlang" - close-to-irrational fanboys :)
I made sure to mention that I believe any conlang would suffice. Conlangs are easier to learn than natural languages as that's largely the very reason they are constructed in the first place, outside of fantasy conlangs which are constructed for...well... fantasy reasons. So you're right, it's not Esperanto itself.
>Or should I say, imagine Standard Basque: as an independent language, people might have a better time learning Basque because at least they uses latin alphabets.
Literally any second language in the entire world would help learn a third language as at that point you have the advantages of being bilingual learning a third langauge instead of monolingual learning a second language. Again, the point of a conlang is finding a language you can learn to an intermediate level at a very quick pace compared to natural languages. There's no weird quirks and dozens if not hundreds of grammatical exceptions due to etymological reasons. You never have to wonder why it is "mouse" and "mice" and "house" and "houses" instead of "hice".
>Oh, and don't forget you yourself are actually becoming one of the reasons why people "shit on conlang" - close-to-irrational fanboys :)
Rational would imply I don't have any logical reasons behind my support of conlangs. Personal experience and countless shared experiences of others who had similar experiences to mine as well as studies showing the benefits makes me more inclined to believe that Esperanto, even a brief stint with it, helps. Is it irrational to believe that morning stretches and daily meditation is good for one's health?
You never confirmed if you were raised bilingually. It matters a lot in regards to what I am talking about.
> You never confirmed if you were raised bilingually. It matters a lot in regards to what I am talking about.
Sorry to break your imagination but I'm not :)
What I'm trying to say is:
1. What is working is not Esperanto per se.
2. Even if you know English and Esperanto, Chinese will (even if it became somewhat easier for you as you might have claimed) still be a heck to learn (e.g. good ol' "counting words"), because they're so different that the even if the "solid foundation" helps it won't help much. That's why I'm bringing up Basque - I myself have trouble learning Basque even if this is the 4th language I have tried to learn.
As for the rational part, I don't know if you know programming but I'm gonna take programming as an example: imagine someone has only learnt C. Now, could claiming "learning Go will help you form a solid foundation about Haskell!" ever be considered rational? I really don't think it should.
I've fully agreed with you on this point several times now so to try and make it clear. I fully agree with this point. Again.
>2. Even if you know English and Esperanto, Chinese will (even if it became somewhat easier for you as you might have claimed) still be a heck to learn (e.g. good ol' "counting words"), because they're so different that the even if the "solid foundation" helps it won't help much. That's why I'm bringing up Basque - I myself have trouble learning Basque even if this is the 4th language I have tried to learn.
Japanese isn't that far from the tree in terms of difficulty for an English speaker than Mandarin. Japanese shares the concept of counting words. Due to where Japanese Kanji come from (Chinese Hanzi), some even share the same meaning. 三回 means the same thing in Mandarin as it does Japanese as does the counter 首 for poems. Chinese has a more similar word order to English than Japanese does, a simple grammar, and one reading per Hanzi. Sheng1 (生) has 13 different ways it can be read in Japanese. I don't find the argument that, unlike Japanese, Chinese is so uniquely difficult that Esperanto wouldn't help like it did for me learning Japanese. But my ship has already sailed and I'll never be able to put that theory to the test because I've already been tainted with learning how to learn a language.
>As for the rational part, I don't know if you know programming but I'm gonna take programming as an example: imagine someone has only learnt C. Now, could claiming "learning Go will help you form a solid foundation about Haskell!" ever be considered rational? I really don't think it should.
Programming is a great example because there is a fundamental difference in people who understand programming and people who have learned a specific syntax for a given language. That difference is to learn a (programming) language and learning how to learn a (programming) language.
Do you think someone who knows C would learn Haskell faster than someone who has no prior programming experience? Likewise, would you recommend someone's first programming language to be Dyalog or an esoteric language like Brainfuck or would you recommend something more simple like Python or Java for them to grasp some fundamentals first?
Learning how to learn is the single most difficult step to learning anything. While learning to learn it is important to have a tool that isn't constantly getting in your way and making learning difficult.
That's not to say learning becomes effortless. Just because you speak three languages doesn't mean you'll immediately assimilate a fourth language instantaneously and without any effort. But I'd be willing to bet you're having a considerably easier time learning Basque as a fourth language than most people would as a second language.
> Conlangs are easier to learn than natural languages as that's largely the very reason they are constructed in the first place, outside of fantasy conlangs
Even excluding fantasy languages, I'd bet that "I want my own" and "I want X cool feature" absolutely dwarf "I want a language that's easier to learn".
