It's a monorepo. The "should work" commit you are referring to is about the formatting of the SSIDs in the WiFi network selection menu.

https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/commit/34ff2951d4172710...

We aren't interested in an exit. Our mission is to "solve self driving cars while delivering shippable intermediaries"

What format would you rather the model be saved in? ONNX is the most cross platform and standard as far as I know, and it's also what we use internally.

It's not like a PE format which is compiled from something else higher level.

I suspect you are thinking of a different startup. We have never interviewed anyone to be CEO.

We believe Tesla is 1-2 years ahead of us, and that's held fairly true since the beginning of comma.

The man himself. You're a legend Hotz. Check out my sound cloud. Wait, I forgot, I don't have a sound cloud.

How do you factor HD mapping into the equation, like the one used by the Cadillac CT6?

Over 1,000 people just today. A couple thousand every week.

In addition to running on a laptop, openpilot also runs on a phone for easy mounting in your car.

https://github.com/commaai/openpilot

Your FAQ says Comma "openpilot performs the functions of Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) and Automated Lane Centering (ALC)" and my 2020 Corolla is supported-but it already has those features. I read through the site and I don't see the value proposition. Is it that Comma does a better job of it?

Think you have the wrong startup. comma.ai has never interviewed anyone for business development positions.

Human latency is about 250ms.

I think that's not a fair comparison - a digital control system needs much finer time slices to compete with human reaction time. A control system that worked off of webcam images at 4hz would be a jittery mess, or just very slow if using a Kalman filter.

I agree it's not a fair comparison. Your analogy, though, confuses latency and throughput.

There's no Android GC, there's a Java GC. Python on Android isn't written in Java, it's CPython, written in C.

Python has a GC as well, but we turn it off for the control loop processes. https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/blob/devel/selfdrive/co...

Haters love to bring up the Python, but they never stick around long enough to explain exactly why it's a problem.

Because it's not a statically typed language for the most part, which brings in an entire class of bugs of its own. It's also an extremely mutable language.

Great for scripts, but there is a reason why most large companies start bolting on types on whatever dynamic language they started with.

Most production languages that nominally do some static typing aren't statically very safe - certainly Java, Go, C/C++ are rife with runtime errors. After the required testing to eliminate those, it's not clear Python is significantly different.

Edit: also, Python does eagerly signal type errors, unlike say Javascript or C, so you don't get silently wrong answers. C is the default language in auto industry. .

Yeah, this is a bit of whataboutism, certainly it would be nice if the state of the art in production languages was closer to the ideal of statically verified... Haskell and Rust are in the right direction, and would be clearly superior in this regard

I wasn't implying that static types solve everything, they just make things n+1 better and remove a class of bugs.

Statically typed languages are mature and you have no excuse not using them if your doing anything that approaching a need for reliability. Cars do, social cat pictures, not so much.

What about Erlang?

Android is not typically a realtime OS. The root of the point, about uncontrolled pauses, is valid IMO.

The safety-relevant code runs on a microcontroller in the CAN dongle and is written in C.

Why does everyone assume the phone is doing all the work?

Lack of type safety and static analysis tools. You can't apply formal verification to it. I wouldn't sit in a car in which any safety critical component was driven by python. Hopefully you would also not be able to get it certified for road use. I happen to know people that work on these problems for German automotive companies. This wouldn't fly there. I truly hope that solid engineering wins out over these approaches. That being said I admire the audacity.

Because German automotive companies are known for making systems that are robust and not just faking results.

I think it's great that your code is open source. The other self driving cars are all based on secret code that the public is not allowed to inspect or audit. This is extremely worrying.

Having your code open source means that outsiders will notice flaws in it, try not to "push back" too much against them. Sometimes they will point out serious flaws that allow you to improve your code significantly, sometimes they will point out non-issues or simply be wrong about things. So instead you should embrace it and take the time to consider the feedback. The crowd is a valuable resource that you have, that closed source projects don't.

> But the software that enables the semi-autonomous driving is free to download. Hotz says this allows him to sidestep the regulatory issue, though it’s unclear whether NHTSA would agree. “We aren’t selling any products that control a car,” he says. “We are giving away free software, and software is speech.” (A spokesperson for NHTSA did not respond to a request for comment.)

Sounds like they're just using open source to avoid liability and side step regulators. I love open source, but I do not think it's being used for benevolent reasons here.

Yow! Shows how naive I am. Thanks for the reply..

We are training our AI using user data as well.

https://medium.com/@comma_ai/the-half-way-point-55662cef04f2