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Is Element One not being offered anymore? Will existing users continue to be supported?


It's a little frustrating that Element X is constantly pitched as the answer when it isn't yet supported by Element's own EMS One hosted service.


Element One should support MAS + EX in the next 2-3 weeks.

Mozilla's EMS hosting got migrated over yesterday (at last)

60% of the rest of EMS-hosted servers are also migrated already.

Sorry it didn't happen earlier, but all our focus has been on getting on-premise deployments for people like NATO & the UN working excellently, and the SaaS deployments have been lagging.


Yeah, we are just paying customers, who cares about us, right?


Appreciate the response, that's great to hear.


Arathorn I'm a bit confused that Element pushes Element X so much already when your own Element One service doesn't support it yet?


It's just because all the effort has gone into EX over the last ~2 years, and it's a way way way better app (even if it doesn't have threads/spaces yet).

Meanwhile, Element One will support it shortly - the missing piece was MAS in production, which is now happening on matrix.org as per the OP.


Google can also decide at any time to put those web properties behind forced logins, or paywalls or just shutter them altogether. If Google doesn't want them to be part of the open web they won't be, regardless of whether this particular set of things is implemented or not. If we're all dependent on them enough that that's a problem for us, then that dependency is the problem.


> If Google doesn't want [Gmail etc] to be part of the open web they won't be

The point is not that Google cares about those sites - they don't. Those services are leverage that they use to control web standards, in order to enable their real cash-cow: AdSense. They will use their web properties to shove down our throats anything that makes AdSense more profitable, from the anti-adblock measures in Chrome to this one.

> If we're all dependent on them enough that that's a problem for us, then that dependency is the problem

I don't disagree - and I use Firefox, keep my important mail outside of Gmail, etc etc. But I recognize that many, many people don't, so the technologically literal out there have an ethical responsibility to push back against corruption of the open web.


I think this is a common framing because not everyone is aware that GPs are independent private businesses. We always refer to them as "part of the NHS" as if they were (or at least should be) equivalent to each other.


Surely that vision is exactly what (vanilla) Gnome is? On Desktop and on Mobile (with LibAdwaita). Incidentally they also seem to get a lot of criticism for having a strong vision.


Also artichoke ruby https://www.artichokeruby.org/


Those are things the company is doing to take responsibility, not him personally which is what his statement should imply.


When you're +$400mil into venture capital raises 'the company' doing something like that can be an awful lot of time, effort and potentially political capital for a CEO to get through.

I'm astounded that so many supposed seasoned leaders were out there making crazy projections around maintaining covid levels of growth and I also don't think 'my bad' is enough in that context, but benefits above what's required are rarely handed over without someone committing to fighting for it.


I'd share your surprise; but, I sometimes question if they believed it themselves. I've spent the last 15 years in public companies and if there's one thing "The Street" demands, it's growth upon growth. The context of a pandemic being a once-in-a-lifetime event is meaningless. Your business experienced record growth and we expect you to continue that trajectory of increased growth no matter what--so get to investing for it!


Also, it might have been defensive. If competitors are burning money, you might feel like you need to keep up, even if it's not the ideal trajectory.


I tend to think that non-profit-maximizing actions of a company are almost entirely due to top-down leadership, so I would give him credit for those actions.


It's the worst software I use on a day to day basis and it's not close. Granted that's on Linux which likely isn't Microsoft's main focus but still nothing else does this much this badly.


Experience with Rails and Hotwire has been very positive so far.


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