I was in the market for an EV due to great tax advantages. I assumed BYD would be the sweet spot, but test drove a Tesla for comparison.
I ended up with the Tesla. It is hands down the better vehicle and I'd be very surprised if anybody seriously thought otherwise. There wasn't very much in it price wise so that wasn't a factor.
The BYD (Sealion 7) wasn't even a bad car. It's a good car. But it's inspired and just a little gaudy. It felt like a conventional SUV with an EV powertrain. The Tesla felt like the future.
Funny that you say the BYD was tasteless. I definitely agree, and it's something that can be said about much Chinese-made stuff.
In French we have the word "chinoiserie" which is used to describe objects with a certain aesthetic, reminiscent of Chinese art. It is used derogatively to mean something lacks taste even if it looks sophisticated at first sight.
On the whole, it's a great car, it really is. They've pretty much nailed the fundamentals. It's opinionated, not unlike Apple, but if the opinions work for you you'll enjoy the car.
But there are shortcomings, and they are jarring. The parking sensors basically don't work at all due to being vision only - and apparently can't be made to work properly. The lane change and reverse warnings are just crap and may as well not be there. My previous car implemented these to perfection, but I cannot trust the Tesla. The autopilot is a gimmick that offers you nothing but increased risk - and there's no way in hell I'd trust FSD for car that can't accurately detect the distance of my house when parking. The big touchscreen is great for passengers, but outright dangerous for drivers.
Having said all that, it seems strong emotions around Musk and Tesla cause people to want Tesla to fail. They want the car to be bad. There is so much motivated reasoning around this brand that it's hard to take any article like the above, or half the comments in this thread, seriously.
I kind of don't really care, as long as I get good service if my car is affected. I'm not defending them here. The next few years will tell if it was a bad buy or not. So far I'm really happy with it.
My point was there's a huge anti-Tesla bias entirely as a reaction to Elon Musk. It's emotional, not rational. It's not objective criticism of Tesla. Sure, there are some awful moves he's made, vision only, FSD claims, but if it was another car company it wouldn't even be on HN. Wasn't so long ago that VW (a manufacturer literally started by the Nazis by the way!) were caught falsifying their emissions.
Thanks for the thoughtful response. You know what, I do feel a bit conned by this vision only implementation. It wasn't obvious when we test drove it, and they didn't mention it. When we picked the car up, on the shop floor, before it had even moved we saw the "Park Assist Degraded" warning and questioned it. They assured us it just needed time to calibrate. It has never gone away. It will never go away.
As a consumer, I'm pissed off. I do feel conned.
But I'm fine explaining Musk's promises away as hubris. He made promises he should not have, and couldn't keep. He shouldn't have done it, but I do think he believed it. I don't think it was an intent to mislead. Incompetence before malice and so on.
He deserves credit where credit is due. He did push us into the EV era.
> He deserves credit where credit is due. He did push us into the EV era.
Nissan should get some credit, too. Tesla started production on the Roadster in 2008, which beat Nissan's Leaf which started in 2010, but the Leaf sold much better.
Tesla only made about 2500 before it was discontinued and the Model S was release.
Nissan sold 20 000 Leafs in its first year. It was the first mass produced EV.
It took until early 2020 for Tesla cumulative sales to pass Leaf cumulative sales.
Yes, definitely and a lot of people (me included) where eyeing Tesla cars until the cybertruck/politics debacle.
>Incompetence before malice and so on.
At first, maybe, the Tesla 3 was announced for 30k$ and had a starting price of 35K$, acceptable.
But the cybertruck announced at 40K$ sold at 60K$, less so.
>As a consumer, I'm pissed off. I do feel conned.
I can easily imagine that, I'm not a costumer and I feel conned.
I actually don't really care if he's a nice person or not, just like I don't care who the CEO of other car makers are. But for the record I think it's pretty silly to call him a Nazi.
I saw more of an awkward guy doing a weird gesture, either because he was trying to be edgy, or he meant it as something else. He might even have done it as an ill advised joke because people were already calling him one.
It's silly to call him a nazi because he doesn't fit the profile well at all. It only works if you redefine nazi to be whatever you don't agree with at the moment. This might even be harmful, as it's an obvious strawman that provides cover for his real faults.
He denies being a nazi. We can take his word on that. One thing about nazis is they are weren't shy about their beliefs.
> The parking sensors basically don't work at all due to being vision only - and apparently can't be made to work properly
What's stupid about this is that it is hard to come up with a good reason for it. The no LIDAR thing is at least understandable because at the time LIDAR was very expensive. Ultrasonic parking sensors are cheap.
Same for automatic windshield wipers, which have been a significant source of complaints from Tesla owners. Pretty much everyone else uses a dedicated sensor that is simple and inexpensive and works well. Technology Connections has a good video on how it works [1]. Tesla uses vision.
>There is so much motivated reasoning around this brand that it's hard to take any article like the above, or half the comments in this thread, seriously.
Funny, because for the last year, any submission that have Tesla or Musk or Musk associated with something negative have been flagged very quickly. I assume by Musk fanboys. So when an article or two slips the Crack, it naturally is filled with criticism. Survivor bias at its finest.
Your criticism paragraph being longer than "it really is great!" paragraph does point towards motivated reasoning going both ways.
If I said I wasn't a Musk or Tesla fanboy, I would expect you to take me at my word. I gave a two sided account of my Tesla experience. I do like this car, and I bought it because I liked it.
Maybe it gets flagged because there's no chance of having an intellectually honest discussion if it involves Elon or Tesla? I certainly don't flag them.
The conclusion of the article is "yes", because you usually end up saving more time in the long run than you think.
But there's an even better reason. Consistency, encapsulation of process, and a form of self documentation. This is the real goal - the time savings are a bonus.
There's a big difference between being a party member actually in a government position (war related, no less), and being a businessman surviving under that regime. You're not only making an absurd comparison, you're calling for punishment for somebody who hasn't even remotely broken any laws. Can't you see you're being authoritarian?
Law and morality are not the same thing. The apologism for Apple on HN is comically and selectively gymnastics. I think the biggest shame here is the brand identity for a corporation that many of you have self deluded into adopting. Even now the voices that tell you to stop bootlicking them and warning against them get shouted down.
That may be true, but if you think your definition of morality is correct and anybody who thinks otherwise needs to be punished, then no wonder you've ended up with an authoritarian who's beaten you at your own game.
It's also got nothing to do with Apple fanboyism. The same is true for all corporations in the US.
When the opposite side of the coin is Trumpism, yeah, I’m going with my definition of morality is correct. It isn’t perfect but it sure beats the alternative.
Come on, it was the 1930s, in Germany and Hitler and the Nazis (the real ones we got the name from) were actually in power. You're comparing apples to potatoes.
Does anybody actually find Autopilot to be more than a novelty? Having to look ahead like a robot and keep your hands on the wheel is exactly how you drive without it. It feels like placing trust in the system and accepting risk without any tangible benefit.
This implies there's some kind of shared resource out there on the network that your devs are developing on. Why not make all these resources part of your local dev stack, served on localhost, and use dummy credentials? You can even commit them because they're not sensitive.
Ok ok, it is indeed keys to AI APIs. I know it's not kosher to admit to that on HN anymore but it's the reality for me at least. Unfortunately local models just can't support development of products using them.
NAT isn't protecting them. Not being on the public internet at all is protecting them.
NAT is then unprotecting them a little by letting them punch out again. It's super easy for routers to implement this behaviour by default if your LAN is publicly addressable, and removes a whole class of exploits caused by applications making NAT hacks.
I think you missing my point. My point is not that IPv6 cannot be secured, it is that the author's take is controversial because people are skeptical about whether networks ARE being secured when NAT is not present. This skepticism is backed up by the research paper that I quoted and real world experience. IPv6 is deployed in many places incorrectly and without the good defaults. IPv4 NAPT in residential networks acts as a last line of defense because most users have been incapable of turning it off.
I suppose I will distill my thought into the assertion that the author should have prefixed his title with "In capable hands,"...
Homebrew's built a package manager on top of git. I'm talking about platforms that generate built artifacts and have package managers with dependency resolution to fetch them.
It's a well understood principle and an abstract value. It's got nothing to do with the US per-se, except it found it's way into your constitution and is protected. The conservative right were never for free speech, that was plainly obvious from the start. That doesn't mean principled free speech absolutists can't exist. And it doesn't mean they need to be pure. You can permit them their flaws while still holding up the value. More free speech, rather than less.
I happen to agree in this principle, but for most of human history it would have been considered a radical idea. Much of the world still doesn't fully buy into it. It's a philosophical position, not a universal truth. You need to persuade, not force. Banning people is not the answer, provided they are communicating in good faith.
I ended up with the Tesla. It is hands down the better vehicle and I'd be very surprised if anybody seriously thought otherwise. There wasn't very much in it price wise so that wasn't a factor.
The BYD (Sealion 7) wasn't even a bad car. It's a good car. But it's inspired and just a little gaudy. It felt like a conventional SUV with an EV powertrain. The Tesla felt like the future.