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Incitement is only illegal when "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action".

And? I didn't say anything about "incitement", I said "actual death/violence threats", because I meant people making actual threats of violence up to and including death, are the actual things tweeted in the most commonly seen examples given on Hacker News (besides the aforementioned "also not upheld" that the commenter I was replying to tried to use to justify when Americans get arrested for tweets).

> The classical cultural example is the Luddites, a social movement that failed so utterly

Maybe not the best example? The luddites were skilled weavers that had their livelihoods destroyed by automation. The govt deployed 12,000 troops against the luddites, executed dozens after show trials, and made machine breaking a capital offense.

Is that what you have planned for me?


I caught that too. The piece is otherwise good imo, but "the luddites were wrong" is wrong. In fact, later in the piece the author essentially agrees – the proposals for UBI and other policies that would support workers (or ex-workers) through any AI-driven transition are an acknowledgement that yes, the new machines will destroy people's livelihoods and that, yes, this is bad, and that yes, the industrialists, the government and the people should care. The luddites were making exactly that case.

> while it’s true that textile experts did suffer from the advent of mechanical weaving, their loss was far outweighed by the gains the rest of the human race received from being able to afford more than two shirts over the average lifespan

I hope the author has enough self awareness to recognize that "this is good for the long term of humanity" is cold comfort when you're begging on the street or the government has murdered you, and that he's closer to being part of the begging class than the "long term of humanity" class (by temporal logistics if not also by economic reality).


My take was that it's not

> We should hate/destroy this technology because it will cause significant short term harm, in exchange for great long term gains.

Rather

> We should acknowledge that this technology will cause significant short term harm is we don't act to mitigate it. How can we act to do that, while still obtaining the great long term gains from it.


Much more likely is that conditions for elder care will continuously degrade until MAID becomes most people's choice.


For those who don't already know this, like me. (MAID) Medical Assistance in Dying


> Boom. Done. You had the answer already and just didn't reconcile your own thoughts.

TFR has been falling in the US since the 1800s, long before birth control.


TFR doesn't account for mortality which has also continuously fallen since then. If you're not adjusting for that, then you're looking at meaningless decontextualized numbers. Obviously if people want a certain number of children and the children keep dying then they're going to need to give birth more to get the right number of children. Birthing is not a useful measure on its own because pre-adulthood dead children lead to the same impact on population growth as no children in the first place.


whipper is built on cdparanoia but uses the AccurateRip database to verify the accuracy of your rip: https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper

Or you can run EAC in wine.


Unfortunately, many of these system don't offer any kind of local control, like the ability to monitor and set charge level. You have to use a cloud service with Ecoflow systems, for example.


LiFePo4 are generally safer and less prone to thermal runaway. The safety standard for home energy storage systems is UL9540 (UL9540A is different).


Does this system allow local control and monitoring, ie without a cloud service? Ecoflow does not, although someone has reverse engineered the bluetooth protocol for some models.

Is it UL9540(UL energy storage system safety standard) certified? I didn't see it listed in the specs but several of the ecoflow models are.


> We recommend checking our Wikipedia page for the latest domains.

I wonder how wikipedia feels being used as DNS?

EDIT: Apparently this is a well known practice. Some interesting discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40008383


Anna Archive is a notable project. Wikipedia displays links to projects. It's not about "being used as DNS" but about providing basic info about the topic, URL being an important part of it.


Kiwifarms is also a notable web site but they do not show a link to it. This means there is editorialisation going on.


That's a common problem of English, German, and a few more Wikipedia editor gangs seeing themselves as the moral guardians of the internet.

If you switch to some other languages, you'll find the links.


Having a sense of morality is not a problem. Good for them.


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Your point is that... Wikpedia editors choice to have articles about sex acts is morally inconsistent with a choice not to have direct links to a site a based around harassing, stalking, doxing, etc that has been directly tied to multiple suicides?

I don't see the connection frankly.

PS. English Wikipedia also does not appear to have an "Anal Creampie" article, let alone one with an animation.


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Oh look, an article which isn't titled what you claimed, or about what you claimed, and doesn't include an animation.

Who?

And I still don't see the moral relevance of any of this to choosing not to link to a site that has harassed people into killing themselves.


The picture clearly depicts--and believe it or not I never thought I'd write these words on the Hacker News internet forum sponsored by YCombinator--a vaginal creampie, not an anal one, nor does it seem to be, as you'd previously implied, animated.


How did you found the link?


So I guess your implication is that a catalog of sex acts is somehow immoral?


reasonably explained by the chasm of difference in intent and impact between anna's archive and kiwifarms


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What a crazy worldview: to think that good things are good and bad things are bad.


Who is the official judge and jury of the Internet?


In this specific case of what’s allowed on wikipedia: the Wikimedia Foundation


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As much as I'd like to claim the values [1] that Wikimedia (the foundation behind wikipedia) supports as a progressive - I think they're quite independent of the progressive/conservative spectrum.

[1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/public-policy/


well I guess if they claim it themselves. I heard Israel doesnt think its comitting genocide, that Russia is rightously doing gods work. Whom did i hear it from? well, themselves of course!


It's none of those things.


As Stephen Colbert once said, "Everyone knows reality has a clear liberal bias."

When conservatism has explicitly turned against enlightenment values, the opposite would be anti-conservative. I'm glad someone hasn't given up the fight.


But this mechanism is used to circumvent DNS blockade. Wikipedia may be next to moderate if they can force DNS providers and even the org registrar to give in, wikipedia could fold too.

Then pastebin, never ending cat and mouse game.


DNS is another layer. The URLs shown on Wikipedia will still have to be resolved to IP addresses, which is where DNS comes in. Referring to Wikipedia for the URLs/domains does nothing to circumvent DNS blockades.


Maybe with the upcoming IP address certificates, we can use IP addresses again. I remember using IP addresses to access some sites in the past.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44379034


Using a wildcard DNS service, you can already do this.

https://sslip.io/ for instance.


Evenn though its onelayer down - the same tactics that were used to suspend/takeover domains would still apply , at the end of the day one still has to get the IPv4/IPv6 address from someone(who can be coerced).


When Trump pressures RIPE NCC or APNIC to deregister an IP address block, that's the end of the internet as we know it, and the return to national networks with very limited interconnection. Even Russia still has address registrations despite being sanctioned.

Alternatively they pressure USA ISPs to block the addresses. That's already regularly done but it probably won't be enough to satisfy the extortion industrial complex which is out for blood.


> When Trump pressures RIPE NCC or APNIC to deregister an IP address block

sed "/Trump/US-Govt/g"

Why do people here always casually single out Trump? He's not an outlier, it's just how US foreign policy has worked for centuries.


"Not an outlier"

A quick look at the last few administrations is all anyone needs to see how this one interprets the powers and duties that come with the office.

One of my favorite phrases coined during the last Trump administration was something like, "not just wrong, but wrong beyond normal parameters." It basically meant exactly what we are discussing here; namely, being an outlier of some sort.


I specifically mentioned foreign policy. There, I don't remember a single US government that was not a net negative for the rest of the world (Israel excluded).


It circumvents the purpose of the DNS block which is meant to prevent people from easily finding the site. Anna's Archive can easily register new domain names and put them on Wikipedia, thus allowing people to easily discover the new location of the site.

Of course many sites can serve as "DNS" - Reddit, Github, X, basically anywhere you can put a URL. So DNS blocking is relatively useless.


Why should wikipedia fold? Can any country put any legitimate pressure against them for just listing a domain.


Linking to illegal services can be illegal, that’s why.


> Linking to illegal services can be illegal, that’s why.

What is illegal in one country can be illegal everywhere.

I don't remember Wikipedia removing LGBTIAQ++ articles just because that's illegal in Iran.

If a government thinks Wikipedia is illegal in their country, they can force local ISP providers to block it, but it's not Wikipedia's responsibility [1] to censor itself.

[1] at least should not be


The Wikimedia Foundation is a US corporation. There are national chapters in some other countries, which are corporations in the respective country. The internet isn't the Wild West; websites are subject to the laws of the countries they operate in.


They can also just create a new foundation elsewhere if the US becomes hostile.


What country does Anna’s archive operate in?


No it's not, at least in US. Google fought and won this case.


Countries can pressure them for many reasons, fairly or not. Under pressure, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales interfered with a page about the war in Gaza (though I don't know th outcome of that).


Why should registrar/ISP fold?

It's not that they should, they often do though.


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_DNS

Can’t imagine they care too much given they themselves also run public dns servers.


> Hate speech is a problem.

I agree, 100%. Donald Trump should have the power to jail people for things they say online.


That is not how the legal system works in the UK or USA. That said, I am worried that we are going quickly in that direction.


No there is a thing call the law, those are passed by elected people and applied by a judicial system that is not the executive branch. Hope that helps.


> applied by a judicial system that is not the executive branch

You have the right to a trial. Defending yourself from a Federal felony charge only costs $250k+.

Given recent events, I think undermining civil liberties to expand executive powers is crazy.


I am nowhere advocating to expand executive power in my response.

edit: apologies for not getting your point, I actually think I'm in line. Being able to defend yourself in the US looks too expensive.


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