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I assume you could dump a layer of epoxy over the whole thing?


Maybe. But I think the solder would have to be very pliable against vibration, it's a very violent operating environment.


Love the hacker asthetic.

I do wonder if there is a practical reason to do it this way.

Custom PCB fabs are so commoditized at this point.

Is solder a good “wire” in this application?

Would neat wire bends on a breadboard, ala Ben Eater, serve the same or better purpose?

Maybe the turnaround on experimentation is faster when done this way? Definitely looks nice to be able to “set it and forget it”.

Either way I love the build and think it’s a super cool hack to solve their problem.


And health insurers are using it to deny claims.


Any health insurers in particular?


Allegedly a insurer "CEO Had Deployed an AI to Automatically Deny Benefits for Sick People" got assassinated very recently.


"Using it to". Problematic phrasing.

I'm sure they also use paperwork to deny claims.

Would you make that into a headline?

It's like "using dice to deny claims". Yeah... I guess? But they are the ones performing the actions. What they base those actions on is besides the point.

The point is that denying claims, particularly denying >90% of claims as the first generation of "AI" did (a D20 model), or denying claims requested by doctors without a Very Good Reason, is tantamount to refusing medical treatment to people who have already paid to be covered for medical treatment, and may stand to die if their medical conditions are not treated, as a result of second-guessing the doctor.

It also dramatically reduces the productivity of doctors, who are being filibustered by a system that forces ever-increasing amounts of pre-approvals, charting requirements and appeals on them. If the median doctor can suddenly only perform half as much work... people also die as a result.

It's not behavior that _deserves social protection_, is the point. Allowing companies to participate in social murder & fraud if they claim an AI told them to internally is morally, politically, bureaucratically, and economically abhorrent. Tear it all down and salt the earth with the bankrupt remains of these companies that had the _audacity_ to shift to second-guessing a majority of medical claims.

> Before health insurers reject claims for medical reasons, company doctors must review them, according to insurance laws and regulations in many states. Medical directors are expected to examine patient records, review coverage policies and use their expertise to decide whether to approve or deny claims, regulators said. This process helps avoid unfair denials.

> But the Cigna review system that blocked van Terheyden’s claim bypasses those steps. Medical directors do not see any patient records or put their medical judgment to use, said former company employees familiar with the system. Instead, a computer does the work. A Cigna algorithm flags mismatches between diagnoses and what the company considers acceptable tests and procedures for those ailments. Company doctors then sign off on the denials in batches, according to interviews with former employees who spoke on condition of anonymity.

> “We literally click and submit,” one former Cigna doctor said. “It takes all of 10 seconds to do 50 at a time.”

The problem is not the dice. It's the denials.

RealPage is a service used by landlords to fix prices and reduce competition. It doesn't actually matter that it uses AI to achieve this, they may as well have used in person conversations or a weekly newsletter, what matters is that it's all price collusion. They aren't "using AI to...", they are knowingly and proudly fixing prices to reduce price competition, and AI (or some kind of algorithm at least) may be used somewhere in the data analysis tools.


If online posts and discussion over the last few days, it most definitely does not have social protection.

Though they aren't claiming that it's okay because AI does it. It's that it's profitable and makes it even more so because now they can fire the people whose jobs it was to deny claims.

You can get away with most things in business so long as a pension or retirement fund gets to wet its beak. And that's what private insurance with no public alternative does.


Correctly or incorrectly?

(Not expecting the former, but it needs to be explicit as the distinction is kinda important...)


In general do we expect our doctors to be making mistakes 10% to 40% of the time? Those are the rejection rates.

Either the insurers are getting it dangerously wrong, or we've got problems even worse than that.


What forces the insurance company to give sound rejections? There are numerous categories of care where you would not expect the individual to survive long enough to bring a lawsuit, or the individuals in question would not have the financial means.

Even if a lawsuit is brought, what obliges the insurance company to be reasonable? The ability to deny medication that I am hearing about certainly are not in my insurance contract.


The contract does say things like "standard of care", which is why they need an actual MD to reject a claim. The AI (or whatever) can help but in the end there is a doctor claiming to read the file and say you didn't need whatever it is.

You can bring a suit, and often the threat alone will work. They're counting on you to give up rather than fight. Or be unable to afford it because most lawyers won't take something like that on contingency.


Can I sue the insurance companies doctor for malpractice? In standard care the doctor is liable, not the hospital.


They're content to just reject the bill or refuse to pay.

They'd love it if you sued the doctor for malpractice on the grounds of recommending something that the insurer's doctor rejected.

I don't think you can use the insurer's doctor who rejected your claim. You can try to get their board certification revoked, and in the wake of the murder people are talking about doing that more. But it's not in itself going to get you your meds.


I don’t follow how the insurance companies doctor escapes liability in this case. If they are interfering with a patients treatment plan, doesn’t that qualify as practicing medicine?

Otherwise the insurance company could easily staff itself with less scrupulous poorly qualified doctors and say “your job is to reject claims”. Why would that doctor have any motivation or requirement to fulfill the duties of a “doctor”?


It pays pretty well and you don't have to see any patients. And as they say, do you know what they call the one who graduates last in med school? "Doctor"

The problem with suing the doctor is that you need a fairly high standard of evidence to prove malpractice. If they have any way to say "this is not utterly unreasonable", they can claim it was your doctor's opinion versus theirs.

And the insurance company has many lawyers looking for ways to let them say that. It's why they have AI rather than just rejecting claims at random.

Though it appears they often do that as well. But the burden is still on you to prove it.


Define correctly. From insurance companies' point of view it's rather correct, I'd say


I'm happy with whatever definition the parent feels is reasonable. There just needs to be some assessment of the merits made, is all I'm saying.


But why are you bringing it up, tptacek?

You’re even replying this to a comment that literally contains “I agree with you”.

It’s like stepping between your friends complaining about jet lag to talk about how your corner bodega raised the price of bubble gum.

If you just want to talk about providers then write a screed on it. People will comment their opinions on the subject you want to discuss.


Because people are killing insurance company executives in the hopes of getting a maybe 5% savings break on their health insurance costs?


> Because people are killing insurance company executives

Then share an opinion on that.

> in the hopes of getting a maybe 5% savings break on their health insurance costs?

You were so close.

All you had to do was condescendingly presuppose a motive, and fabricate a statistic to make it about your desired topic again.


I really wish HN would have a ‘video’ tag link at the top next to ‘new’, ‘show’, and ‘ask’.

Over the years I’ve written various scripts and tools to only grab yt links or posts with [video] in the title from the HN api.

Be nice if I could just click the link at the top rather than rebuilding each time I lose the old ones. :)


You are welcome to die from any number of preventable deaths.

I choose life.


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