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Or it just means anything shared on the internet gets RLHF’d / special cased.

It’s been clear for a long time that the major vendors have been watching online chatter and tidying up well-known edge cases by hand. If you have a test that works, it will keep working as long as you don’t share it widely enough to get their attention.


Just wanted to say “thank you” for this article. I found it years ago, probably not long after you initially wrote it and have preached it as widely as possible ever since, both as an IC and as an eng manager. It’s one of the best such tidbits I’ve ever come across!

Edited to add: and thanks for keeping it up to date with the new Swift version!


Put weapons on it (as already seen in current conflicts) and it becomes a seek-and-assassinate tool. Drones are cheap enough it could even be done en masse. It is a scary future, and it’s not far away at all.


S&R has always been a front for weaponized robotics, IMHO.

The last DARPA grand challenge (Subterrainean) had automated drone networks that could find and identify humans in caves and tunnels. They were at least up front about the military challenges in these environments. (https://www.darpa.mil/program/darpa-subterranean-challenge), but the nod at civilian first-responders doesn't seem fair. Honestly, is cave-in such a big civilian problem that we need to prioritize it as a talking point at all levels?


> Honestly, is cave-in such a big civilian problem that we need to prioritize it as a talking point at all levels?

Considering (1) the number of people who are employed in mining occupations, (2) the frequency of serious accidents in mines, yes. Particularly in developed countries, societies expect that great lengths will be gone to rescue or recover the victims, and mine rescue is incredibly dangerous work.

(1) BLS says ~200K in the US in 2024, although only a minority of them work underground.

(2) BLS says "underground mining machine operators" is the 9th deadliest job in the US, and that is with a large and well-equipped mine rescue system (MSRA says 250 teams across the country).


Are the other 8 BLS most dangerous professions being heavily automated and augmented with robots?

Roofers, fishing and hunting workers, construction "helpers", etc?

There's a case to be made that some of them are, I guess.


Mining is heavily mechanized and automated already, yet remains inescapably dangerous.

Pragmatically speaking, when someone falls off a roof or a tree, it doesn't turn into a highly public, high-risk, government-responsibility rescue mission. When someone gets trapped in a mine, it does.

(If you fall off a tree logging in Alaska, there is a good chance a USCG helicopter crew comes to your aid, but that is more of a "five minutes in the local news" story than "nightly news host reporting live on location" event.)


I suspect the vast majority of deaths in underground mining in the US aren't from cave-ins but instead from heavy equipment accidents.

According to [1] there were 8 deaths in underground machine operators category in 2022.

There's a more detailed table at [2] but I don't quite understand how this aligns with the first one (the numbers seem different, but I think the category is "Mining (except oil and gas)").

In any case the majority of fatalities are from "Transportation incidents" or "Contact with object and equipment". I think cave-ins would be classed as "Fires and explosions"

[1] https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-inju...

[2] https://www.bls.gov/iif/fatal-injuries-tables/fatal-occupati...


It's generally hard to say what's a "front" for what, unless you mean "what can you get someone to grant you research money for when you really expect to parlay the learnings into another topic."

Everything about the rocketry needed to get to orbit started from warfare purposes, for example. And ARPANET was a foray into how to build a disruption-resistant network for military purposes.

Science and knowledge are a bit of a soup.


A read a comment here a while ago about "search and rescue" being a euphemism for military applications and that's the first thing I thought of when I saw this story.


Guess what happens in Ukraine.


The future is already here – it's just not very evenly distributed



It exists in Estonia ("thanks" to Googley Eric Schmidt!), it's a company that had codename White Stork.


It looks like they may have changed their name. White Stork is the name of a charity that provides first aid kits and other aid in Ukraine.

https://whitestork.us/

https://x.com/WilliamMcNulty/status/1798855191858712929


Ironic name.


National bird of Ukraine


This system would not work against camouflage.


I mean it would you just have to put different optics on it thermal, near infrared and normal, and have three different detection neural nets


I've been saying that any armistace on drones won't come until the US starts being hit by drone warfare. Especially by a foreign militia or nation state


> armistace on drones won't come

Drones are useful. There have been zero useful technologies in war that have ever been successfully banned. (No [1].)

Every weapon that has been banned brought asymmetric advantage, i.e. disadvantaged the powerful, or has had its ban flouted, e.g. cluster munitions.

[1] https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-ch...


What do you think UFOs are?


they need to cause collateral damage, not busy work for FOIA respondents in Ohio


The US is the biggest user of drones. What are you talking about?


I would not be so sure - a mind boggling number of drones and drone types are used in the Ukraine war, from small observation drones, over supply drones, drop drones, fast one way FPV kill drones up to almost regular drone swarm exchanges with 100+ drones going one way (indigenous Ukrainian drones one way, clones of Iranian Shaheds from the Russian side).

An oil terminal in Feodosia is still burning after the latest Ukrainina strike.

There was even a few cases of re-purposed ultra light aircraft serving as one way drones for ultra long range strikes on the Ukrainian side.

In another region Israel has to shoot down various terrorist launched one way UAVs almost regularly by this point & uses UAVs heavily by itself.

So while US certainly did pioneer UAV use, it seems to be it is getting eclipsed by other states in this area.


It's not unless you consider Ukraine part of the US. Russia and Ukraine are using 10k+ drones per month each.


US civilians aren't subjected to them though.


Precisely. It's about terror. The US having the political capital it does (among other things, being a Security Council member in the UN), Americans won't push their government to curtail drone use until and unless they're on the receiving end of asymmetric warfare attacks perpetrated with low-cost disposables carrying lethal payloads.

(Certainly not advocating for this, but noting that it's the most likely trigger to get the ball rolling on regulation of drones in military operation where very little currently exists).


Sadly collusion among market leaders is rampant even though there are (poorly enforced) laws against it, so it’s not too far fetched for companies to all lock arms and say they won’t do something. It’s all too easy to get away with that, especially when there are high barriers to entry (as with cars).


This has unfortunately been a known issue for a while, surprised it took this long. The article doesn’t mention it, but Norway already paused usage of this specific vaccine due to the same concern, way back in March 2021:

https://www.sciencenorway.no/covid19-vaccines/this-is-why-no...


This is why gatekeepers are still a good thing, and now the gatekeepers are themselves somewhat democratized. Lots of people now have their favorite YouTuber / Podcaster / etc. and get book recommendations from them. And there is now a much bigger selection of gatekeepers to choose from given the variety of content on those platforms. It’s not perfect, but overall it is an improvement in many ways.

Now yes I would agree that a fully flat, bottom up, “everyone is a publisher” world where everyone is on equal footing (including the spammers) is impractical, but then again who ever said that would happen or work if it did?

It remains to be seen what effect genAI has on all this, though. Long term, it seems likely that the need for gatekeeping will only increase due to the inevitable flood of more and more generated junk.


I’ve been trying to divest from Amazon as a source for products, and am looking to use more traditional stores to curate my options. They have buyers that vet stuff to some degree, and if the product is bad, they’ll take it back. If enough people think it’s bad, they’ll stop selling it.


I don't think that "gatekeeper" is the correct term for what you're describing. Isn't it closer to "influencer", or "taste-maker"?


Curator. But otherwise, they're right. Curation and informal trust networks are the only way out.


Exactly, I would never go to Amazon to look for books. I go to Amazon to buy a specific book. I already know what I want, Amazon is just the place I order it. Some stuff is also Amazon exclusive.


> Beeper thought it was good idea to piss off Apple…

Publicity stunt to raise their visibility in hopes of acquisition. Today’s news shows it worked.


The US Naval Observatory has an online calculator which is accurate and time zone agnostic:

https://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/SolarEclipses


That's a good one, thanks. It gives me `18:09 UT`, which is `12:09 CST`.

The Precision Eclipse calculator does seem to provide correct results in the US (e.g., 1:40 PM for Dallas TX). So, it must be a Mexico timezone calculation error.



Was there a jump cut at the end or was the person collecting the chute really mere steps away from where it landed?


Jump cut. We helicoptered in, but it took about 20 minutes.


IDK what your job title is, but 'helicoptered in to collect a recently landed spacecraft from the desert' sounds like an awesome day at work.


I don't really have a job description, I just solve problems.


That sounds worrying. Maybe they shoot you up next.

Awesome video you created! Looks like there is bad weather over half of the planet though.


Seriously muddy sneakers tho.


I laughed - looks exactly like the "playa stilts" you see after rainfall at Burning Man.



That is still an impressive aim that y'all achieved. Congrats!


You can tell it was a cut, by the way the person faded into view.


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