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It's widely believed in Western society due to the language barrier to access Chinese social media.

But it's not true , or only half true 30 years ago. I personally know 3 or 4 of my alumina abandoned their expertise of Optical Engineering to pursue Lawyer career 20 years ago and made big money.

Another example is one of celebrity law professor (not lawyer though) who recently got involved in a controversy because of Epstein file. He shut down his “weibo" (a Chinese Twitter ) account. He also made tons of money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_Xiang

China moves very fast compare to the western society. Something true today might not be true 3 years later. Let alone half-truth 30 years ago.


> It's widely believed in Western society due to the language barrier to access Chinese social media.

> But it's not true

Is it even widely believed in the west? I'm European and my idea of China is that it's the home of Confucianism and legalism and that bureaucracy, the state and the law are all taken seriously there.


There are 2 groups of new Chinese immigrants in the US, they are quite different:

1.Those who arrived through legal channels (most studied at U.S. universities and remained on H1B visas, with a smaller number through EB5 or other visa categories) and eventualy got green card.

2.Undocumented immigrants, which include several sub-groups/waves. In the 1990s, most came from just a couple provinces, Fujian and southern Zhejiang. After COVID, they were from different parts of China and entered through the southern border.

The contributors to AI development belong to the 1st group. They are spread across the country but a large number work in high-tech companies in Northern California.

The 2nd group was intially concentrated in New York and Southern California (Los Angeles area). Later they have expanded into nearby regions. They provide labor for Chinese-owned small businesses such as restaurants, grocery stores, and hotels.

There is an industry created largely by Chinese political dissidents helping Group 2 through asylum applications using fake materials and exploiting common Western beliefs or narratives about China like human rights concerns. For example, Alysa Liu’s father is an asylum lawyer.

ICE enforcement efforts would likely focus more on Group 2 if they are knowledgable. Ohio should not be a high-priority area. I could be wrong due to changes over time. One indicator you can observe: Are there many Chinese-owned small businesses in your area?


They were operating in a traditional "China town" neighborhood for the detentions and the neighborhood they were going door to door in is one populated mostly by white collar professionals (tech, college professors, etc.).


ICE arrests citizens and legal immigrants on a regular basis. Only 5% of the people they arrested had an immigration related conviction on their record:

https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convi...

The Bay Area is mostly exempt for now because, after Trump announced ICE was going to surge in SF, a bunch of tech billionaires with economic interests in the region convinced him not to.

Also, over the last year, there have been a bunch of high-profile arrests of Ohioans by ICE. In one example, they arrested someone for showing up to their immigration hearing, leaving their young kid separated from them outside the court.


Ape writing? (kidding)


I worked on a product which was the best ID reader in the world at the time 25 years ago. The OCR engine was based on Decision tree and "Random Forest" (I suspect the name did exist) with only 3 trees. It was very effective as a secret weapon of the competitiveness. I tried to train a NN with a framework called SNNS(Stuttgart Neural Network Simulator) as the 4th tree complement to the existing 3.

Today, hand writing OCR is a "hello world" sample in Tensorflow.


That's awesome and based on my experience I'm not shocked this went well. I'm not sure what the features would be in this but I am assuming they could be specific pixel combinations or other things which would be easily labeled in a few ways. I hope you had fun with it.

My previous project was far from that. https://healthverity.com/audience-manager/

I had a lot of fun, really the last fun project I've had. I hope you had fun as well.


And I still can't find a big NN model which reads historical handwriting well.


in the interest of understanding, is there any code or similar for the approach? does that OCR run anywhere today?


The technology was developed by my predecessor during late 90s when microprocessors was much less powerful, and the resolution of image sensor was low. The relatively high accuracy based on those conditions was a critical factor to use Decision Tree as OCR engine. It's used till 2007 when I left my company.

I don't think it would survive afterwards due to quick change in technology. Even the desktop OCR applications at the time didn't use Decision Tree because the CPU was much more powerful. The DT OCR engine was competitive only under special use case.


I would suggest:

1. give links or one link to the collection of above "evidence" to let others to get conclusion by their own. BTW, I've seen some ("Leaked, classified instructions...) but easily get different interpretation.

2. Also using "I" is better than "We". That means you get your conclusion, not representing others.


1. I've provided a half dozen links in this thread. Feel free to google for more if you want them. Most of the people I'm replying to will respond with some variation of "funded by nefarious group x" regardless of what links are posted.

2. Lecturing random people you meet like they're a freshman English student is patronizing.


There might be 2 types: passive cooperative and active cooperative. Eastern Asian are likely more obedient. They behave better collectively under good leadership.

But they are not good at self-organized activities. Without an authority they are more chaotic.

Statistic features of populations are less understood not only because of lack of scientific method but also it's a taboo. However, there are some consensus among the elites within the populations but can not speak aloud.


That's a very important point that most people missed. China spent decades to achieve the current status. Especially the investment in education, i.e. Human Resource, the most effective ROI but need very long term commitment.

Western countries should do the same and do it continuously without consider the economic reward.


Indeed. What we need to do in Europe is spend the next three decades building the industrial, social, technological environment that gives China the advantages it has today, and enables "China Speed". I am worried that we will not do it until after we have gone through a deep crisis, however.


>I am worried that we will not do it until after we have gone through a deep crisis, however.

I hate to say this but this is exactly what is going to happen. And I dont see any way out of it. The same goes to UK as well. And even then I highly doubt "China Speed" will be possible. The absolute case I can see it happening is another "War", but even if speed or velocity were the same we will still lose on "scale".

I wish I am wrong.


You watch too much anti government media and mixed narratives with solid facts. You need to read both sides of stories


Stories maybe not. Trustworthy data is the only thing that could possibly resolve this question.


There are two parts of the Zero Covid policy which actually is a continuous one :

1.At the beginning of the pandemic. It was successful in terms of reducing the death count of population but at the cost of freedom that also widely criticized in Western countries.

2.Because of the early success, the government continued the policy even it was not necessary till close to the end of the Covid. This is one of the biggest policy failure in recent Chinese history. It caused resentment and was exploited by anti-government parties, even partially caused the illegal emigrant wave to the States through south border during 2023, which was reported on mainstream media. Finally it ended due to protests.

Dan Wang's observation about China in his book is mostly accurate, except this part that he has some twisted view on CPP, which is not his fault but CPP's fault.


> Dan Wang's observation about China in his book is mostly accurate, except this part that he has some twisted view on CPP, which is not his fault but CPP's fault.

Give us your take, we're listening. Curious to hear.


As you mentioned EUV machine, I happened to read an article from a former Executive of ZhongXin, a domestic competitor of the famouse Huawei and also sanctioned by US. He said that China had no insentive to develop lithography technology including EUV until Trump blocked the sales of EUV machine in his first term. [1]

There are tons of other cases, like EDA software, etc. It used to be a bilateral business. Now China become more and more independent of the rest of the world due to external pressure.

BTW, I've been working and living in the West (more specifically , in Canada) for almost 30 years but also have access to Chinese language media. I've been watching a lot of misunderstanding or misinformation. It's less in recentl years. I have to stay way from some of the topics to avoid being downvote because misinformation believers strongly believe I'm wrong for those topics.

[1]https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/VCEbmtljCS6jRCLaGxCa1A


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