Shouldn't their 5-year warranty drives still be good?

My favorite idiom comes from China: Pay a lot, cry once.

We're not talking about medical experts here.

Yes. The article clearly discusses how select individuals disagree with majority medical opinion with basically zero evidence. So the opinion of medical experts matters.

That's not who the OP was talking about, not-Einstein. He's talking about the idiots who idiotically polarize needed conversations that need nuance. a-hem

The problem is that the only organizations wealthy enough to do the necessary tests to provide "proof" have ZERO motivation to do anything that could jeopardize their already flowing coffers.

I mean, the govt could do it, if they weren't in the pockets of the corps.

What I'm saying is that if you're waiting for the pharma corps to provide the necessary studies to show their products ineffective or even dangerous, I'd call you a fool. Or do you have a few billion dollars lying around to fund such studies?

The problem with your argument is that it's simply unfalsifiable. It could serve to justify any kind of opinion. How do we know the earth is not really flat?

Of course, you also choose to ignore how many people don't die anymore from totally curable diseases that were a certain death sentence even just decades ago (e.g. take AIDS).

If I need to explain to you how we know that the Earth is not flat, then I should just end this conver

But when the consensus is based upon for-profit goal-seeking corps that have engaged in successful regulatory capture, it is your duty to question it.

Why, pray tell, are the US's vax schedules so heavy compared to Europe? Are all their doctors quacks are is our medical system bought-and-sold by B-schoolers?

I know the answer and I doubt you're willing to even entertain the truth much less accept it. But I'd love to be wrong about that.

My wife's son is a doctor. He said he wouldn't go to 80% of his fellow med school graduates for care. Being good at memorizing does not make one a good doctor, even though it's essential.

> Why, pray tell, are the US's vax schedules so heavy compared to Europe? Are all their doctors quacks are is our medical system bought-and-sold by B-schoolers?

What are the differences in vaccination schedule that you're worried about? We need to be specific in these kinds of discussion. It may be true that there is no difference in vaccination schedules, but it may also be true that the countries you claim have different vaccination schedules are responding to local needs (vs. being worried about 'heavy' vaccination regimens).

You got it.

It takes intelligence to entertain both sides of an argument, grasp and appreciate the nuance of the situation and then come to a sensible conclusion, which is often "I don't know, I'll need to learn more to decide."

And it takes intellectual honesty to admit when our preconceptions need to be tossed and upgraded to a more expansive, more accurate worldview, which is the essense of intelligence.

That's why Dunning & Kruger's work is so damned important: It showed that the least capable are the most confident.

This is just an argument to moderation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

Realistically, you can entertain both sides of an argument and come to the conclusion that one side is wrong.

Smart people are loathe to trust for-profit corps with their health.

How safe do you find those opioids now? What were they saying in front of the congressional committee? What were their sales reps saying? What were their privately-funded goal-seeking researchers saying?

Medical science and profit should not be mixed. I mean, look at this mess here in America.

We can agree that profit motive can corrupt science and delivery of medicine without declaring that all of medicine is therefore bad.

It is called not throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Smart people make finer distinctions.

>>Smart people are loathe to trust for-profit corps with their health.

The sentence very clearly implies all, and nowhere in the post is an indication that you mean any restriction to part (vs all) of the med/pharm profession

In fact, you go out of your way to point out the malfeasance pushing opioids and imply that it also applies to vaccines, when it is entirely different industry segments, companies, etc.

I'll not only not apolgize, I'll point out that you are specifically arguing in bad faith, disingenuously arguing by implication, and when called out on it, histrionically backtracking and accusing others of falsehoods.

Grow up. learn science, stop trying to disingenuously undermine the good work of generations of researchers and physicians that keeps you healthy.

Sheesh

It's difficult to mandate self-evolution through education. Most people just binge-watch vapid fiction after vapid fiction.

No, you can only be forced into quarantine if you have a communicable disease.

And the immuno-compromise put themselves at risk every time they go out without a mask.

Now, are you also going to require older people to top-up their vaccinations? You know they lose efficacy over time, right?

Not vaccinating does potentially cause harm to others through infection, and someone unvaccinated can only fully prevent such harm by completely avoiding any contact with humans they are not living with; furthermore, such harm cannot be reliably attributed to the perpetrator, so punishment is hard.

Hence, it is reasonable to outlaw being unvaccinated and going out of the house.

Unvaccinated people aren't going to hurt any vaccinated people. It's no worse than being fat or smoking; the worst thing you can say is it increases people's health insurance costs.

It also increases profit.

You trust those B-schoolers and their hand-picked goal-seeking researchers to shade toward safety or profit?

I am pro-vax (within a sensible schedule) and anti-for-profit-corps, who NEVER EVER give a shit about your health, only that you can't prove that it was their product that harmed you.

And you trust one doctors opinion that causes you to spend more time in his clinic (make money).

Depends on the doctor, depends on the situation.

I did, you should note, get told not to come back to a doctor's group -- after a single visit to establish a PCP -- for quote "asking too many questions".

My wife was with me and was confused because I was in no way belligerent. And, for sure, that doctor was a piece of work. She just wanted to go through her checklist and be done with it, and her attitude showed.