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That whole post parent is woefully uninformed, talking as if Greenland is actually green or otherwise suitable for sustained guerrilla warfare.

It’s not, towns are solely on the coast and rely on the sea for a reason.

The talk of reasons for might make right is simplistic as well.


Large areas in Greenland is actually green though. Its a wilderness paradise.

I’m sure the low shrubs and lichen will provide excellent coverage for the proposed resistance that hide in the wilderness…

I hadn’t realized Greenlanders are 6 inch tall so I’d discounted that possibility due to the essentially zero forest coverage.


Depends what you mean by large areas. Most of it is an kce sheet, the interior is uninhabitable and the habitable sections are hundreds of miles apart.

Depends what I mean with large areas? Ever been to Greenland?

Greenland is about 25% of the US excluding Alaska, the ice sheet covers 80% of that.

This means that the ice free area of Greenland is a bit larger than California. Thats the third largest state in the US. I would say that is a large area.


Except neither Trump or Rubio are credible sources. Their actions and words are notoriously unreliable.

In fact, citing them as an authority leads to the transitive property applying to credibility in an argument.

All of us here know Trump is an unreliable person, why is he being cited to support definitive claims? And Yes His unreliably most certainly extends to his own aims, there is no question on that.


If Trump and Rubio are not credible, then there is no way to determine the intent of any military action, so the bet is impossible to evaluate.

That’s pretty funny.


You can for the most part evaluate intent based on actions. There are some actions which can have multiple possible intents behind them, where things get trickier. But in most situations, there is one primary consequence of something, and the action needs to be taken with deliberation, hence you can state with high certainty what the intention was, based purely on what was done. Consversely, if a person has complete freedom to complete some action, but chooses not to, then we can say their intention wasn't to do that thing.

Intend and action don’t have to align if the people with the intend don’t know what they are doing.

“If Trump is not credible”!!??? If??!

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me 500 times, I want to be lied to”

Similarly no one believes Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was to “denazi-ify” it as Putin and the kremlin claimed many times among other things.

Neither was the troop building up in 2022 near Ukraine purely for training as repeatedly claimed by the top Russian officials.

Trump is equally credible.


Why is it as a soon as a politician announces they will start in the future to have a concept of a plan at tackling an issue, many people react as if it’s already done?

No actual implementation steps have been taken or explained. Will this happen before or after the health care plans are released? Before or after the still pending infrastructure bill?

“ Trump said he was immediately taking steps to implement the ban, which he would also call on Congress to codify in law. *It was not clear what steps he would take*”


Yet, we’re heading a dangerous path.

Ice could easily start rounding up citizens soon… I mean “domestic terrorists” which is how anyone opposing Trump could be labeled soon


If only it were that easy…

Overthrowing a dictator most often gets either a new dictator or years of brutal violence and turmoil

Were you in favor of the Iraq war?


What’s up with all these posts that try to normalize the current admins turning ice into the gestapo, waging a war against the environment, and blatant overt corruption like pardoning every white collar criminal and fraudster they can.

Because bush invaded Iraq the current guy gets a free pass to round up immigrants with gestapo like tactics?

These “but in the past…” posts come off as excusing current wrongs and it seems willful


I think they're less excusing current wrongs and more attempting to point out that Trump and the nature of the current regime aren't anomalous. Believing such means getting rid of Trump alone is sufficient. Rather the attempt here is to illustrate that Trump is a manifestation of deep and systemic problems with American culture and that simply waiting for the "pendulum to swing the other way" or "Democrats to clean up the mess" isn't going to help.

We need to have a much more complex and nuanced conversation than "Orange man bad," even given that orange man is very much bad. Otherwise he won't be the last, much less the worst.


The house is burning down, we should put it out!!.

“it burned down before this is more of the same hurrrummmph.”

Democracy cannot rest or it is eroded, so yes bad things happened. American is flawed but over time has worked towards improving itself and going towards its ideals of equality. But every inch forward is hard fought against the likes of the current administration. Suffrage, voting rights, environmental regulations, abolition were all won as huge battles against those clinging to and abusing power.

The way these “but America has always been…” post are toned, if we listened to the likes of them then none of those victories would have occurred.

Listening to them, we backslide. Dwelling on past imperfections instead of fighting today’s fire? Thats Self sabotage.

These posts are never framed in a constructive way, like how do we right the wrongs of the past, how can we make reparations for them. No, they’re framed like “we’ve always been bad, so this current bad is not so bad”

They seem to be insidiously on the side of injustice, trying to diminish current ills so that they may continue.


The better metaphor is: the house has been on fire for decades, and hyper-focusing on throwing water on a single part of the fire that's only been around for a few years isn't going to fix the gas pipe leak that's the actual reason for it going on for decades. People say words like "fascism" as dog whistle for "Trump" which is exhausting because of reasons other posters have been made clear: he's a symptom, not the root cause. It's boring partisan politics and very naive to the real systemic issues that people are blind to due to many reasons, and at least in part because of group think and tribal mentalities and a lack of class consciousness. And it's a perspective/dog whistle ignorant to nearly any establishment politician being at least, in part, complicit for the gas leak not getting fixed. And it's exhausting that the same accountability and frustration isn't being held when it's someone they voted for who's in office despite them still being an enabler of a broken system.


I strongly disagree that it’s pointing out the gas leak, it’s posting the way a foreign dictator would gleefully like his minions to post. “See that democracy has always been just like us”

If I were a totalitarian leader of any sort, I’d definitely be having my propagandists go after any country more liberal and try to paint them as also authoritarian and bad, and always that way.

Are you denying America has not improved itself? Slavery was horrible but slavery was ended even though it took a massive bloody war. Thats an extreme example but there are plenty.

No no, to the Debbie downers we are and always have been the equivalent of mao, Stalin, mussolini, and polpot


Yeah, I believe there is a difference between "hey, welcome to the party, isn't this horrible" and "what are yall complaining about, this is totally normal".

The latter is "normalizing", the former is attempting to get folks to understand a broader context.


“10-15 minute walk”

A quaintly American complaint. A 10 minute walk being an issue is very a learned helplessness my fellow Americans suffer from.

But unfortunately the 10-15 min walk is only possible in a couple cities. most Americans day to day experience of public transit is spaced out buses that don’t work well for single family sprawl and strip malls parking lots where walking is treated as undesirable. Car oriented rather than people oriented urban planning (or lack thereof) is the original cause.


It could be 10-15min where I am blasted by -10c wind in Boston or Miami torrential rains

Door to door shelter and climate control >>>>>>>>>>>


As someone who lives (and doesn't own a car!) in the Boston area, coats do wonders :)

I even got a heated jacket this year! Talk about climate control.


Because the weather in walking cities is perfect?


Throwing out cent coins doesn’t seem like an environmental waste to you, like throwing out aluminum cans?

Yes they’re impractical to carry and use but does anyone actually do that? Why not do the standard practice of accumulate them in a jar instead of throwing them in the trash like waste?

it’s easy to take them home and throw them in a jar until suddenly the jar is a Kg of metal that can be fed to whatever coinstar like machine is around.


Metals are separated here, but compared to all the other waste I generate, I'd say it's... pennies on the dollar. Storing and collecting things is by itself an expense too: space, energy (you probably store them in a controlled environment), and so on.


From inside the USA, I don’t know. It’s baffling how even in 2015 people expected anything different from the crassest man alive.

Perhaps they thought the grift and corruption would benefit them, and not harm them and thus were okay with it? Like how from the first term someone was quoted saying something along the lines of “they’re not hurting the right people”


In 2015 the democrats chose to go for the 'establishment obvious candidate' despite strong grassroots support for a more populist candidate with a clear track record of working for the best interest of the American People.

They did Bernie dirty, and were lucky to get even as many votes as they did. The email scandal immediately before the election didn't help, but that's more of an excuse for what someone was going to do anyway.

After ~10 years of the current president campaigning both in and out of office. Particularly after Jan 6th. Even more so after congress was too spineless to do their jobs for the people who elected them. NONE of what's happened since really, really, surprises me. Sadden? Disappoint? Dismay? Oh yes, all of those and more. I've been amazed at how fast all that stuff started to happen in the second term. I do totally believe that waste of carbon never read Project 2025 ; just rubber stamping what the rich supporters have asked for.

Looking back further. I'm seriously saddened the Democrats didn't do the right thing for the American People way back in 2008 / 2009. National Single Payer Healthcare. Make healthcare efficient, have competition among providers, but give every person the right to healthcare as part of the social contract and the taxes they pay.

I'm still hopeful that when the pendulum swings back the other way we can end the nightmare of all the damned paperwork and billing and having to do annoying renewals every bloody year.


I think the key reason is that Americans (and Brits) have been lead down the path that all politicans and government in general is corrupt and inefficient, and so it becomes which corrupt person you want in charge. Your guy or the other guy. This is, of course, due to decades of oligarch propaganda. Even otherwise intelligent people think government is the problem and libertarian market forces are the solution. Burn it (government) all down is their end game


So what happens if someone posts a fraudulent listing of one’s property and then reports it to the city?


Then that person is making three felonies: fraud, perjury, and frameup. AirBNB requires a lot of verification, you can't just use Tor, protonmail, and a VoIP number to list a place. That person would leave such a digital trail that would be easy to find with a subpeona. And both AirBNB and the person framed have every incentive to help with that investigation.

Frameup is a big fucking deal.


Why would AirBNB have an incentive to help with the investigation? They want the law gone, which means they want people to hate the law and demand it be repealed.


Wouldn't they be liable for not helping law enforcement?


Only if the the state worker has a subpoena signed by a judge. But it sounds like these are code enforcement people, which are generally just city employees rather than full law enforcement.


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