Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | olabyne's commentslogin

Did you forget why the 737 max had 2 crashs ? The alert of the difference between 2 sensors didn't work / wasn't there. So the system was relying on 1 sensor.


I have a foldable flip phone. It is equivalent : I need to go through some effort to open my phone. I don't open it unless I need to


BTW, it was quite complicated but I added support for flip phones as well. So the app works correctly on flip phones as well. Flip phone users might have an ultimate setup.


At least it works. Meanwhile Tesla have nothing to show, even in "very specific conditions".


you just spit numbers from your ass don't you


Come on, it's time to ditch this "vision alone" thing for self-driving cars. A computer will never be safe with vision only. Things like reflection and false positives will always wreck the statistics of even the perfect AI, there is no way around it. And I'm talking about good weather conditions.

The numbers show it, the few that Tesla releases about FSD are not up to the level with Google. If it was good, Tesla would be transparent with their results.


I think vision some will likely eventually be sufficient for full self driving, but by the time it is vision and LIDAR will be cheap and ubiquitous and downgrading to vision alone will be seen as a cost cutting measure that unnecessarily degrades safety compared to systems with LIDAR as well.


Then how do humans do it?


Human have excellent 3d vision, even with one eye. Some ability that only a vision-lidar fusion would match, not vision only. Human vision isn't just a flat image like a camera render. Distance from an object is not only estimated from using a stereo camera (2 eyes), it is made from constant movemnt from the head, and the ability to rotate the orbit on two axis.

Vision might be viable in an unknown future (which tesla is very good at seliing), but right now it is very dumb to forbid yourself extra data.


    ability that only a vision-lidar fusion
    would match, not vision only
What would be arguments that back this theory up? Why couldn't an image stream from fixed cameras be enough?

After all, we made machines perform on a superhuman level in many areas already. You could have said "A machine will never be able to move as fast as a human unless it has two legs and feet". But that is not how it turned out.

I remember people saying computers will never beat humans in chess because they don't have intuition.


I don’t see any reason to argue possibility- it’s more interesting to know what’s optimal. Would you agree that redundancy in sensors is better?


Optimal towards which metric?


What i meant is that if you multiply the number of cameras, probably make them movable, and with amazing vision software you might approach the performance of 2 humans eyes, but really it is just extra step to simulate lidar data at this point.

> After all, we made machines perform on a superhuman level in many areas already. You could have said "A machine will never be able to move as fast as a human unless it has two legs and feet". But that is not how it turned out.

Yes, thanks to wheels. Robots with legs do exist; but none of them is close the speed of an average human running. That's my point. We are not gonna do better than human vision by simply taking 2 cameras thinking it is equivalent to a human eye.


How do you know that taking 2 cameras and superhuman intelligence won't be enough?


Because it's physically not the same. Again, 1 fixed camera does not provide as much data as a single eye. It's not about the resolution, it's about the 3d perception that even a single eye provides. You can try yourself : close one eye, and you still have a good 3d perception. Now try to make your orbit fixed, no head or eye movement, and then everything feels flatter.


Metal wings are also not physically the same as two feet. Yet, planes can move faster than humans.

How well cars will be able to maneuver with cameras and superhuman intelligence specialized in this task is yet to be seen.

Maybe we could try to find dashcam videos of self-driving cars causing accidents. Then one could form an opinion if the camera footage will be enough for future versions of the software to correctly assess what is on it.

Here is one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcj-1hNwPiw

The crash is at 1:08

To me, it seems entirely possible to understand the situation from the camera footage alone.


By being the greatest general intelligences we know of? Even then, it’s still the most lethal thing most people do.

If we get a human level AGI with vision as high dynamic range as ours then maybe we can match human driving performance.

Seems easier to use radar and lidar at that point!


How birds fly? Well definitely not like planes.

Sometimes it is easier, far simpler and even superior not to mimic nature. Consider if it is even possible to have supersonic flight by mimicking flapping of wings.


They don’t do it well. 100 people will be killed TODAY on roads in the US. (And everyday)


Humans do it badly. Humans do it by killing 50,000 other humans per year in the us alone. A million worldwide.


Their hardware has more memory, compute capability and throughput.


Also the image from the retina is higher quality compared to primitive cameras.


Really ? Mine has an uptime of a year or so, it resets only if a big storm stopped the main power for a few seconds. Maybe it is the new hardware ? I have the original one (arvm6, 512 Meg of RAM)


i think you are confused. It's not about taxing an american company, it's more about taxing an irish company


America was only actually relevant to their point because it is not Italy. Ireland is also not Italy so their point works equally well with America replaces with Ireland.


I thought they mentioned Ireland because of the recent Apple EU tax ruling. Google is also using the Irish tax avoidance strategy.

https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/top-eu-c...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_as_a_tax_haven


> to the point that it feels the next industrial revolution is just around the corner

Ah yes, the never-ending corner.


Maybe because the event was all smoke and mirrors, and no actual numbers and plans were revealed ?


Could you say what car ?


2023 Forte

https://www.reddit.com/r/Comma_ai/comments/197k04q/2023_kia_...

https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/issues/30936

You can find a few attempts of people trying to get it to work in their discord with no clear positive outcome, discord is unfortunately not search indexed.


> discord is unfortunately not search indexed.

Using discord, etc for any open source project discussions is really unproductive.

Get it that people like the immediacy of chat style communication. But it seems to encourage way more noise and less thoughtful dialogue. The worst aspect is that it locks away a lot of useful information. Trying to dig through chat histories for information is a horrible experience.


> But it seems to encourage way more noise and less thoughtful dialogue.

But compare it to something like Microsoft support forums and you immediately realize why people are using it. It might not be the best implementation of chat, but the immediacy and lack of formality are undeniably valuable.


Comparing MS support forums to turd makes the turd seem better. It's a poor example. Discord sucks.


It looks like support was added in February

https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/pull/30761


Yeah it was on the supported list when I bought it in October of 2023. The website asks your make/model/year when you buy if I recall correctly, that's how it tells you which harness to get.

I found out I needed to update some files in the firmware, followed the guide for that. Asked for help in the Discord. I could never get it working though and returned it after a week. I was going to hang on to it and harass people on Discord, but didn't want to lose track of time and go beyond the return window. Believe me, I really wanted it to work.

Looks like it was added to the supported list before the explicit support I guess

https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/commit/e3275e918354945d...


Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: