Title is also misleading ... They stole veri tokens and sold for eth not directly stealing any Eth... There was a story here last month that had a headache line like 'guy buys bit coin as 12$/coin is now worth millions' when what he actually did was sell those coins and use the money to start a company which he in turn sold for millions
They were dumping it at 50% market price for ETH a few days ago. Don't know if they dumped it all or still sitting on a bit for when the market recovers.
It's somewhat ironic that they get horrified when you say you'd Google something and then the lateral thinking questions are normally the first five from the Google search 'lateral thinking puzzles'
Why would you need voice search in a TV though... I can't understand ... I don't understand which everyone is going nuts for IOT either!? Why do I want a web browser on my fridge really
It's handy on the new Apple TV to speak a search phrase rather than select each letter one at a time using the remote. At least on the Apple one though you press to speak into a mic on the remote so presumably it's not listening all the time.
Imagine you didn't have to worry about security, privacy, or out-of-date hardware and software. Would you still not see any benefit to having your fridge (or coffee pot, or oven, or ...) connected to the network? You might not; but if you do, then that obviously says there are beneficial reasons to have those things be connected.
I think a lot of people who say "What's even the point?" in this context don't really mean that in the end, they just don't think it's worth it given the current security / privacy / obsolescence issues involved with IoT devices. And of course those are all real issues that can absolutely weigh against any benefits. But just imagine if smartphones and tablets today were in the same poor state the IoT ecosystem is currently in. There would be a non-trivial amount (more) people wondering if they were worth the trouble.
tl;dr: Potential benefits of IoT, while they certainly have to be weighed against the potential issues that currently exist, are still potential benefits.
> Imagine you didn't have to worry about security, privacy, or out-of-date hardware and software. Would you still not see any benefit to having your fridge (or coffee pot, or oven, or ...) connected to the network?
No I don't. Well I kind of do, but the cool features you'd want it for are the things everyone stops using after a day or two.
The reason the get included is to drive sales, manufacturers need a way to differentiate themselves in a saturated market, they know hardly anyone uses the features and that even if they do then they get the bonus of planned obsolescence.
And as I said, you might not, which is a totally valid opinion; and I agree with your last sentence. My point was just that the costs of IoT don't erase the benefits, even if you believe that they outweigh them.
As an aside, just off the top of my head, and not to say that you necessarily said anything to the contrary: ignoring potential costs, do you (or anyone else who wants to respond) see the benefits of a fridge that can tell you (or, if you want, the grocery store, or the delivery company) what you're running low on, or a coffee pot that automatically turns on when you're about to wake up or get home, even if that's not at a certain time every day, or a dishwasher/etc that can wait for off-peak prices before running, or a sprinkler system that won't water your lawn when there's rain expected later in the day, or a security system that let's you monitor your home and be alerted if there's anything unusual going on (e.g. movement when no one should be home), or an armed defense drone that can monitor the Internet for signs of an incoming zombie horde?
Let me start with the caveat that I'm in my early-mid 30's and progressing ahead of time into the cranky old man stage stage of life. In general though I find this style of automation has too many exceptions and the negatives of those exceptions generally outweighs the benefits.
To take the coffee pot as an example. I'll hit the snooze button between zero and 10 times a morning, so automating the coffee machine would often result in cold coffee. Other times, if I've get a bit to drunk the night before, I'll skip the coffee, so the automation would be a waste. There's also some introduced mental overhead of having 2 workflows for the same thing, if I want a coffee, I go make a coffee, but now I'd have to think about if this was one of the automatic ones or if it requires manual intervention.
I may be atypical in this, but I have largely automated the process myself. I wake up and while I'm still on autopilot fill and turn on the jug (we don't do coffee pots here) go pee, come back and put the instant coffee in and the jug is boiled by then. There simply isn't room to optimize much further than that. I'm also a bit of a stickler for fresh water (incident with a cockaroach ~25 years ago), so I don't like the idea of filling the water the night before. If I wanted too though, I could automate turning the jug on in the morning with an electrical timer 30 years ago.
I think I could come up with a similar list of issues for all/most of your other examples considering most of them are more complicated, particularly the fridge one.
My zombie horde action plan is considerably lower tech ;)
> Imagine you didn't have to worry about security, privacy, or out-of-date hardware and software.
But you have to worry about this and weight cost and benefit, it's just not worth the hassle most of the time,
> But just imagine if smartphones and tablets today were in the same poor state the IoT ecosystem is currently in. There would be a non-trivial amount (more) people wondering if they were worth the trouble.
I don't need to imagine, security, privacy, or out-of-date hardware and software is a huge problem there, too.
> But you have to worry about this and weight cost and benefit, it's just not worth the hassle most of the time,
Perhaps you missed that I said, "And of course those are all real issues that can absolutely weigh against any benefits." The point still stands: "tl;dr: Potential benefits of IoT, while they certainly have to be weighed against the potential issues that currently exist, are still potential benefits."
> I don't need to imagine, security, privacy, or out-of-date hardware and software is a huge problem there, too.
Sure, that certainly crossed my mind, but it's just not as bad at a technical level as IoT is right now, though as far as final impact that has to be weighted by market penetration.
I probably could have come up with a better example, but I was dead tired when I wrote that. :)
A wired keyboard would be even more reliable and cheaper... but less convenient. This is the reason voice is being used, and it is more efficient on Amazon Prime etc.
Yes, thank you for saying that. I understand that different people have different use cases, but there is an environmental cost to owning too much shit that no one talks about.
Here's an example. I own a surface pro 3, and a smartphone. The SP3 is a tablet when I want it to be one, and a proper laptop when that's what's required. My brother, by contrast, has a Fitbit smartwatch thing, an iPod for music, a kindle for books, a Nexus tablet (just for flights!), a smartphone and a laptop!
And the industry seems to insist that even this is not enough. No, clearly, we must also own wifi connected anal probes, refrigerators that tweet, and coffee machines that need firmware updates before they can give you your morning cup. How do we end this madness?!
It's an odd problem. My partner insists on keeping a shopping list. But mostly I remember what we have in the fridge and store cupboard, as I frequently cook. I don't actually forget that many items when shopping. Toothpaste I don't keep in the fridge. Being able to have a quick glance remotely could help, but I'd probably then abandon trying to remember, and it would probably take me longer. My partner recently tried a little stretch of buying online and collecting from the store. But for me, it took all the fun out of shopping. I actually enjoy strutting the supermarket - and some domestic tasks. My partner likes certainty. I like mixing things up a little.
I wrote a blog post on using mailvelope to send/receive encrypted emails via existing mail providers such as Google mail ... Linked into my post about getting a private/public key pair using keybase.io I'd like to think they explain it fairly well but I hadn't considered the implications of people believing they're more secure than they actually are ... Until I read the comments here - disclaimer: not claiming encrypted email is super secure or even necessarily that using mailvelope is super secure but just wanted to make it look less scary to the uninitiated
