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My company struggles to find the right people. Many that we find we can't hire because the risk is too high that they won't make the lottery, so positions keep unfilled. This is a serious problem limiting our growth.


"Many that we find we can't hire because the risk is too high that they won't make the lottery"

Well you lost me right there, because there would be no such risk if you hired a US worker. I highly doubt there isn't a US worker who has the skillset for what you are looking for, but rather there isn't a US worker who wants to do the job for the compensation your company is offering.

I'm not against H1B's/attracting top foreign talent, but unless its a highly specialized role I can guarantee there are people with the skillset right here in the US. You're just not willing to pay what they're looking for, or ironically the risk is too high for a US worker to work for you vs what they're comfortable with (i.e. job security, risk of the company going under, etc).


Why not hire Americans? I went to a no name state school with a large CS class. Sure we're not MIT/Stanford quality (well many where) but plenty of talent to go around.

Whether they want to work for your wages is the real issues.


> Why not hire Americans?

If they pass the interview then we obviously gladly hire them. But competition is hard.

We do have quite competitive wages. But we need more people than the American-only portion of the market has to offer. Competent foreigners make up a sizeable part of the applicants, and those who don't already have visa or green card we just can't hire. It's as simple as that.


have you tried paying competent Americans more?


you've made multiple comments in this thread about being unable to find American workers. I'm currently looking for work but looking at your profile I can't find your company. Where can I apply to whatever job openings you have?


"Why not hire Americans?" in this context is like asking "Why not just vaccinate people?" in April 2020.


So hire US citizens like a US company should. I have friends who are great programmers (entry level but better than most of the outsourced coders I’ve worked with) working in factories because companies would rather outsource the work than give them a chance.


> So hire US citizens like a US company should.

I wasn't aware that there is so strong US nationalism present in the participants of this forum. After this thread I'll need to seriously re-adjust my mental model.

> I have friends who are great programmers (entry level but better than most of the outsourced coders I’ve worked with) working in factories because companies would rather outsource the work than give them a chance.

I have many brilliant co-workers, from many countries of this planet, some are US citizens, some became US citizens recently, and many are from many other countries. They all work well together and if somebody shows up in an interview and clears the bar then they are welcomed. I've also personally witnessed hundreds of "great programmers" in interviews, some Americans some not, apparently thinking they are brilliant and then couldn't participate in a constructive discussion about fundamentals or about real-world program solving.

The generalizations in this thread as well as the assumptions being made about me and my background are quite shocking.

Do you guys have set foot in actual US companies recently? It's not about US citizens vs. outsourced work. The typical company has a broad mix of live stories. Something I value in our industry. Maybe I've just been blind to the bubbles of nationalism that seem to be brewing somewhere. I'm glad they stayed outside of my company (or else I would have).


I don't think outsourcing and hiring H1Bs are the same thing.


I'm looking forward to seeing your job opening when the May "Who's Hiring?" thread is created.


Have you considered training? :rofl:


> I think the market will always demand one audience.

What? Ever heard anybody say "follow me on Twitter, Instagram and Youtube"? There are plenty more, all have a niche. Snapchat, Twitch, Tiktok, you name it. It's already a pluralistic world, and one more participant in the "open and free" niche is likely to have its place and fans.


Indeed.

I have around 80 followers in the Fediverse. (I have a “locked” profile which means I manually approve follow requests, mostly to keep trolls and bots away.) That’s not a very impressive number. It still is quite enough though‚ I don’t complain about the current level of interaction. Quality beats quantity.

Unlike Facebook, none of my relatives or middle school buddies are there – and to me that’s a good thing. To me, Facebook is way too large-scale for posting casual status updates.


Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it.


The risk that this happens until we have technical means of avoiding the ecological disaster that current proposals entail is orders of magnitues closer to zero than the next pandemic wiping 50% of humans off the earth within your lifetime. Have you proposed the next lock-down yet?


> why

Because that's what they got their grant money for and what they want more grant money for.


That's not how this works. Plate tectonics won't stop if you cool down things a little bit. The amount of cooling you'd need to do amount to have that stuff stop is comparable to creating forests and oceans on mars. Not gonna happen, we'll kill off humankind before that.


Or exactly the other way around.

Without "engineering society" we'd still live in tribes killing each other at first sight. We have reduced that substantially. Some societies are a bit behind (like allowing lethal military-grade weapons at home), some are further advanced. Overall, it seems a good idea to use our intellect to advance societies and we've come a long way from the dark ages.

Our earth engineering has come so far that with the exception of a few national parks and reserves, we've used every little corner to cut off and kill everything that existed on it and turned it into less-and-less usable farmland. A few areas are cities or golf courses or transportation highways, the rest are terrible monocultures or their next stage: deserts. We've extinguished more species than we know and of those that we have not, we have brought lots to close to it. 95% of all fish are dead. Sea levels are rising rapidly. Large areas have water shortages. We need less "earth engineering", not more of it.


All of the problems you listed sound to me like earth-engineering problems, except for the "problem" of private property. I strongly disagree with the premise that social engineering raised us from tribal groups. It was agriculture and domestication and fire. The data suggests global farmland is reducing [1] and becoming more and more productive [2].

It is funny that we see things exactly opposite!

1. https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/news/article/2021/0....

2. https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields


> > You would be surprised but there are so many debates in the hiking community. This debate is to bring hiking poles or not.

> I definitely recommend using hiking poles.

This "hiking community" is just the people getting into those debates online. The vast majority of the actual hiking community just enjoys their trips in silence without getting into online arguments.

Source: In my circles of about 40-50 hiking enthusiasts, only about 2-3 engage in online debates. Everybody else enjoys their trips and learns from own experiences and the occasional chat with friends. Debating for weeks whether hiking poles are a must (I never use any, but it's a matter of preference) or whether to break off your toothbrush to save extra weight (IMO ridiculous) are mostly a waste of time.


Debate is a strong term. Most of the online discussion is the same chill banter as you experience IRL. A forum like /r/ultralight might seem a bit odd when you first read it, like any other online forum dedicated to a niche subculture, but it's all in good fun, and people are self-aware and are able to poke fun at themselves for being such nerds and "weight weenies." My weight goals are nowhere near "ultralight" (yes, there's a definition) but the ultralight community is a great source of ideas and information, even for beginners.


I only know one person who openly declared breaking off his toothbrush to save weight. As well as using aluminium crampons and all manner of tricks. This was 'cos he was 60 at the time and his knees weren't as good as they'd been. I'm extremely grateful to him for sharing his expertise leading a climb, taking a number of us up Mt Baker, WA. So, you know, sometimes, quote from Hamlet, "there's method in his madness". ;) Or to quote Tesco's (true but disingenuous) slogan, "Every little helps" ;)


People breaking the toothbrush are stupid, you should perforate it to keep the size and save weight! /s


You can buy those brushes. The shaft is perforated like a honeycomb pattern for structural strength.


I wonder if Hans Niemann is familiar with this tech.


Most people still have that simplified view that you just have an oil well and just pump it up. In the US, a significant portion is extracted with fracking, an environmentally pretty terrible method for extraction.


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