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Im at an age when people talk of my age group like that, and my age group talk of young adults like that. I started working at 14 carrying furnitures on the weekend and im a pampered millenial :D

In fact, I read a little essay wrote during the 18th century by a grumpy old guy that, if modernized a little bit, could pass for your little essay.

I think your reaction is an effect of aging more than an objective view of the world. It's probably very similar to what a pre WWII adult would say of the pampered boomers born around the 40s: children are treasured by their parents, fathers want their child to surpass them and parents are disappointed by the new path their offsprings carved, on average.

Basically, your comment is as useless to trigger change in the youth as it is interesting to study aging. Instead of wondering how to whip the youth into aging faster, I d ask you: how to comfort the elders into aging slower ?


We can go back much further in time and find the same lamentations:

'The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.' -Socrates


Well look what happened to Athens.


My comments here (or anywhere) don't aim at utility, let alone triggering change. What kind of fool thinks he can change nature by an internet comment? No, friend. This is a simple howl. But I do think we who grew up with rotary phones and building the infrastructure of the shit that's called the internet now should get a little extra weight when we criticize the social media generation than, for instance, old time cowboys should get for criticizing hippies. Their criticism was about style. Mine is about substance. Yes, it's normal to see youth as callow and fickle the older you get, nothing in the whole of human history has prepared us for the utterly vapid emptiness and mindlessness of the current generation.


But I am your future generation, probably: I m 33, so a millenial. I'm starting to feel the same way about my own future generation.

I think it evolves with age and you exaggerate the old time. How many people finish high school in your country, how significantly has this changed ?

In mine,France, it's a bit better, but most people still stop abstract study around 14 and start practical and will never produce a refined thought or have a noble hobby in their life and that's fine. That's always been so and there has always been noble grumpies to somberly bemoan the vapid frivolities of the next generation - but they compare perhaps their fancy upbringing to a base mass that never changed in the first place.

Look take an exemple: I'm the first of all my ancestors to speak and write English, that's a generational progress in a huge sample of my age group they would never judge us on positively.


Did the cavemen finally rewind all of history to finally rediscover while we organized around justice, legislation and law enforcement or we're still waiting for a few more fortunes lost ?


You also maybe navigate a larger web with different needs.

What knowledge cant be found with appending "wiki" to any keyword, what person cant you find with linkedin, what movie cant you find on a private bt tracker, what news cant you have from reddit ?

I think people over estimate what the web was before Google and under estimate how much easier it s been to find anything.

Name me one thing you struggled to find on google and Ill probably be able to describe you the nightmare it would have been 20 years ago


Google me up a review of a mechanical keyboard that isn't sponsored, doesn't have ads, isn't on reddit, doesn't have affiliate links, and isn't trying to sell me anything.


Seems pretty useful and non-spammy to me:

Edit: This is a better example: https://www.mechtype.com/category/reviews/


Would you expect someone selling a product to give an accurate review? They have a conflict of interest. Give me a review from someone who does not have a conflict of interest.

I'll show you what I'm looking for:

https://labs.tomasino.org/mechanical-keyboards/

https://www.paritybit.ca/blog/vortex-vibe-keyboard

https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Mechanical_keyboards

https://www.vegard.net/the-ultimate-keyboard-part-2-switches...

http://boxbase.org/entries/2015/nov/30/ergodox/

Where are those types of search results?


They have links for every single mechanical keyboard they review or list. What is their incentive to give better reviews to some than others?

This is probably a better example: https://www.mechtype.com/xiaomi-yuemi-pro-mk02-review/#more-...

There are some basic economic realities underpinning why most people take the time to create content like this. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that just because someone expects to make a small amount of money from creating a review like that (with either affiliate links or buy links), that that person's opinion is inherently at conflict with honesty just because there's a monetary element. It may be true for many sites and many people, but it's pretty straightforward to parse whether someone is writing a review earnestly and passionately rather than for $.


> They have links for every single mechanical keyboard they review or list. What is their incentive to give better reviews to some than others?

Given Sturgeon's law (90% of everything is shit), why are most of the reviews 4/5 or above?

> There are some basic economic realties underpinning why people take the time to create content like this. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that just because someone expects to make a small amount of money from creating a review like that, that that person's opinion is inherently at conflict with honesty just because there's a monetary element.

I updated the post with several examples of the type of content I want you to find.

> This is probably a better example: https://www.mechtype.com/[...]

This one has affiliate links


>I updated the post with several examples of the type of content I want you to find.

The point I'm making is that I think your underlying premise, that all sites which have any kind of monetary element to them are fundamentally corrupt in terms of intention or conflict of intention, is flawed. I've now read multiple reviews on https://www.mechtype.com/category/reviews/ that are quite clearly the work of a keen mechanical keyboard hobbyist with sufficient details, knowledge and effort to lead me to believe the work is genuine and useful rather than merely financially motivated alone or spammy. There are many examples of what you suggest, and I agree that many sites with affiliate links and ad popups are disingenuous and fall much closer to the spam end of the spectrum. But there are still useful results if the user is remotely competent at parsing information. If your argument is that users shouldn't need that competence, and search engines should be kinder to less competent users in that regard, then that's a separate (and probably more interesting) conversation.

That site also has a clear affiliate disclosure along with this:

https://www.mechtype.com/disclosures/

>Paid Reviews/Sponsored Posts. MechType does NOT accept paid reviews or sponsored posts. All thoughts expressed within our reviews are our own opinions. However, MechType may on occasion accept product samples for review. When a product sample is provided for review it will be clearly and fully disclosed in the post along with the company/persons who provided the sample.


You were the one who claimed to be able to find anything on google, so I provided you with something difficult to find. Don't tell me I'm asking for the wrong thing, especially given I've demonstrated that pages matching my criteria do indeed exist.


>You were the one who claimed to be able to find anything on google

I did not in fact claim that. You are confusing me with someone else in this thread. I agree that some things are hard to find on google, but I reject the notion that anything with a financial element is fundamentally corrupt in terms of intention.


Maybe there are good actors but anytime people are spending money the market will arrange for a lot of people to try to fleece uninformed buyers, and on the internet to uninform the buyers.


Ah, my bad. My post was basically intended to call bullshit on that particular claim from the guy I responded to.


>What is their incentive to give better reviews to some than others?

One incentive would be that they earn more money through affiliate (or the company is paying them) to promote one product over the other.


That sort of question you want answered by friends or an organization you pay to represent ypu, like Consumers Union.


Why couldn't a search engine look out for the searcher's interests before the interests of the content-producers?


because you aren't paying them to do that.


> Name me one thing you struggled to find on google

Ad less pages. That provide the content without trying to monetize it.


I don't even mind ads if I get the content. What I get now however is 90% ads and 10% content, and of those 10% about half of that is actually promoted content. Oh and the ads are also spying on me and selling my information to more ads.


I recently had to research and compare analytics services for work. Type in Heap vs MixPanel and look at the results, the entire first page is garbage comparison sites. I really struggled to find any impartial, real reviews.


Reviews of recent consumer scanners with actual samples of scanned images at high resolutions.


Singapore is as much of a tax heaven as Hong Kong is. When you live there, it's not.

Now if you re a chronically over spending under budgeted country and look at Singapore you're like "how can they be so rich with so little tax, they re robbing us", but that may hide a few things you could try on your side.


Does it really matter for 99% of us who are just working class people. If Singapore can be a tax heaven and the profits are distributed more in the public sector i'm all for it.


"Race to the bottom" tax policy is only really good for multinational corporations.


Its a race to the bottom sure, but if it isn't you there are many others that will deliver the Tax Haven service.


You take taxes away from other countries where the profits would be distributed - and where the actual companies operate.


Instead he rotted as an actor of change, represented his citizens, protected his country and solved sudokus.

I dont know if he's good for Singapore but I mean, he did one of the most noble thing a human can do so I wouldnt blame him. I hope to do 1% of what this politician tried to do in my lifetime.


> he did one of the most noble thing a human can do

Solve sudokus?


Maybe you missed the first half of the article title.

Singapore prime minister Lee Hsien Loong…


I read the parent comment as a joke


Even if Singapore is the best of all the authoritarian governments out there, it is still kinda fucked up. Even with its nature put aside, Singapore still engages in all sorts of regressive, backwards policies, up to a point where it's difficult to claim that any high govt official from Singapore holds any sort of sense of nobility within them. If this person is the prime minister, he is actively choosing to ignore, detach himself from, or even to support and continue those policies.


Singapore is a successful example of how to intergrate multiple ethnicity groups. Many liberal and progressive countries have tried their way and didn't get a good result.


Are both things linked? Even if they were, it's difficult to see how, say, caning as an accepted punishment, or gay rights suppression, can make an effect in ethnicity issues, unless we take this in the context of co-opting the cultural values of the less progressive culture present in the country. And in any case, stomping on some human rights for the greater benefit of the rest of society is kind of a gray area. The least we can do is recognize that grayness. Even if there existed a tangible payoff in acting and governing in that way, everyone should be aware of its price.


Is he also pursuing covid-zero at all costs? death penalty for drug dealer? embracing canning? Kim jung um studied at a top school too


I vouched for this comment because it was worth addressing.

You can go online and ask Singaporeans all day about their opinion of Lee Hsien Loong, depending on how old they are they've voted for or against him and the PAP several times.

Singapore is a de facto one-party state, but it stays that way by (sometimes narrowly) keeping the ruling party in power by voting for it periodically.

The comparison to Kim Jun "um" is inept and insulting.


I put Mix: Normando-French in the "Other" category when Im asked at the census in Hong Kong giggling at their expected confused looks. What the fuck is a race, I look a bit different from a guy in Marseille and a lot different from a guy in Beijing but it's all a gradient, why make it discreet and give names (they split between western and viet for instance in HK... but isnt Vietnam west of China too??), do they also have a guide book so we cull impurities ?

It s insane to use races as a concept for humans when clearly we fuck just as dutifully as stray cats in a gutter. Racism is to talk of races.


Not defending that particular application, but it is probably important for humans to make categories of things to be able to draw lines between them and find useful rules of how to deal with things. People like to make up labels for all kinds of (ir)relevant stuff and try to "other" people who are different in some way or to some degree. "my side, your side" stuff.

The important thing is, that we are also able to look beyond our categories and do not draw wrong conclusions from them. Keeping an open mind.


We have no category given by nature that's for sure. What s important is not to look beyond our category, it s waking up to the fact there is none.

It s very american, for some reason, anyway. They were so hung on not mixing up with the slaves they had to draw a line. But stop thinking you're white or black: you re very different from a Russian and a Portugues, or a Malian and a Senegalese. Focusing on skin color is stupid.

My daughter for instance is more franco-chinese than she's whito-yellow (and even that has so many variation that no two french and no two chinese think perfectly alike), it has no meaning, no more than hair color or eye color, at least.


Race and ethnicity are meaningless, arbitrary, and ultimately capricious categories we need to get rid of.

TA is a long-form treatise on why.


His compliment of Ariane 5 tingles my French pride. So annoyed when watching the launch live to see all the ameritards in youtube chat saying "what why is it not spacex" grrr. And we did it for free to boot.

Elon "Electric Jesus" Musk only does it as a business model. He'll never do important national stuff that go beyond budget efficiency.


I'm sorry, you getting down-voted because you are just completely wrong on all accounts. Not to mention using terms like 'ameritars' and 'Electric Jesus' are just embracing things to use in any discussion.

1. This was not a competitively bid launch. Europe provided the budget for launch so they selected their own launch vehicle.

2. Nothing the Ariane 5 did was very special no matter they hype about 'so exact'. Everybody know that was almost certainty happening. It was typical under-promise over deliver. Other certified rockets would have done the same thing.

3. Both SpaceX and ULA could have launched this mission. Both are full certified for first rate, lowest-risk launches by NASA. Please actually go and look at the list of launches and you will see:

SpaceX:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_He...

ULA:

> https://www.ulalaunch.com/missions

4. Both ULA and SpaceX are launching both NASA and Dod payloads. Both required separate very detailed qualification.

5. SpaceX also has launched German Defense sats because it was cheaper then Ariane. Italy has just booked a SpaceX flight as well.

6. The SpaceX Falcon 9 is certified and has launched humans. I would consider that 'important national stuff'.

7. Falcon 9 based on most statistical models is now considered safer then Ariane 5. Falcon 9 has also already launched more often then Ariane 5. Insurance cost of payload on Falcon 9 is also the lowest in the industry.

8. Ariane 5 was just grounded for 6 month because of issues with the fairing and required government intervention. This actually did cause significant concern for James Webb lukeyl they had one launch before to test the new configuration. In typical Arianespace fashion they hid this error for as long as they could and didn't tell anybody why they are grounded. Great security culture they got, always trying to brush their failure under the carpet and not talk about it.

Fine to have pride but don't try to bring others down to lift yourself up. It makes you look silly.


French guy here, thanking panick21_ for answering an irritating post with a cool head :D


Ironically spacex is most likely to provide a budget friendly route to space on an industrial scale - and is already cutting costs by a significant amount. Only reason they used the Ariene 5 was because of its width.

edit:

its payload width*


Not even that - the Falcon 9/Heavy fairing is the same width on the inside as Ariane 5, only the exterior is narrower (but the walls are thinner). The rocket simply didn't exist at the time when JWST was designed, and changing the launcher for a project of this complexity years after the design and build started wasn't even considered, understandably. But it will be very different for future projects.


Yes, as I understand the Ariane 5 was the widest reliable launch vehicle available at the time. Obviously trying to fold the telescope into a smaller space would have introduced even more complexity so they chose it - changing later would have added delays and additional complexity!


It has nothing to do with reliability or space. Its political. ESA put in the budget for the launch and they got a significant part of the science in return. And ESA of course put it on Ariane 5. There was no competition or comparison or any of that.

Since then the price of the rocket has gone from like 20%+ to like 2% or less of the cost. But they will still get the science. So all in all, might be the best investment anybody has ever made in terms of a science project.

The Delta 4, Delta 4H and Atlas 5 would all have been fully qualified to fly the JW and likely could all have launched it. Maybe the Atlas 5 is to small but there were certainty rocket in the US that had the required certification from NASA.


> He'll never do important national stuff

So sending astronauts to the ISS and launching spy satellites isn't "important national stuff"?


?

Arianespace was the first commercial launch provider.


Musks goal is to Marke humanity multiplanetary. If he just wanted to milk the space cow Starship would not be necessary.


I learned it myself while at Uni because we only did C and Java.

I d say it s important to learn a bit just for the C with classes aspect. Sometimes you want to do a moderately complex C program that Java dev will have to help with, and it helps knowing C++ (as in: I did a 3D engine in it, using no overly fancy language feature, for me that s good enough to get an ability to produce something useful enough).

It's a bit sad Rust and Go are so far from C. Might as well just go to Java, a paradise for team work and problem solving.


Java is a paradise for managers who want to inflate their report head count. A whole team can be used up to do the work of one person.


I have seen certain Asian offshoring companies doing that with C++.

All the major ones you can think of.


Very interesting "article", so good in fact the author couldnt pay for hosting and used a free service to split his discourse in multiple mini messages. Science on SMS.

These guys are desperate for our money, I suppose when finally they newest scam takes hold, they ll publish outside of twitter echo chambers.


I always use the 2FA and whatever happens it seems to allow me back in. I would think this happens with a phone number too.


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