The 3 US models have their own style.

Qwen3.8 is very clearly distilled from Claude models.

How do you support this claim? I am curious about tell tails for distillations.

We all get Segways, problem solved.

Add in a heaping dash of anti-american sentiment, and you will get the truth behind the pessimistic commentary.

Downplaying the latest models capabilities is frankly insane considering what we’ve seen what OpenAI’s models have done without safeguards. That wasn’t possible before this latest generation.

> Qwen 3.8 and GLM 5.3 Flash were not just cheaper, the results were significantly higher quality

How can they be higher quality than models they were distilled from?

> How can they be higher quality than models they were distilled from?

The word "distillation" is not specific to AIs, has been in use for 100s of years, and does not mean the same thing as "dilution".

It means "getting a more concentrated form of the original product".

Very shallow answer to a valid question. The vast majority of people know that word btw, that's not some revelation.

> these proxy services create thousands of new accounts using false identities, fake or stolen credit cards, and stolen API keys. They will often use stolen API credentials belonging to legitimate companies or individuals to give unauthorized entities access to US frontier models.

It is a direct result of restricting access to these models. Access to them should never have been restricted. The restriction leaves users with no choice but to use unusual means to obtain access. We have completely forgotten what free trade means and why it is optimal, and we will pay the price for it.

Unusual means? It’s illegal to steal accounts and credit cards. Completely sanctioned by PRC. No other country can compete since they must follow the law, hence mistral not even trying anymore.

Except they use thousands of stolen credentials which is definitely not legal. They also don’t notify users they send data to US labs which can include sensitive information.

EU labs like mistral cannot legally do any of these things. So people cheerleading China for it is strange.

They mean distillation is legitimate when labs use one of their own stronger models to train a smaller one. They certainly aren’t advocating for PRC labs to distill Claude for open weight models.

The list of professions made obsolete is very long. Why should programming be protected if AI in the future can make software better, safer, and cheaper?

If they could harness the energy from all your atoms it would be worth significantly more than 2 million.