The second ever [1] fatal car crash involving a self-driving car. This is the fi...

felippee · on March 19, 2018

Tesla was not a self driving car, please stop confusing this.

This case is in fact the first autonomous test vehicle caused fatality.

There were at least several Tesla autopilot related fatalities and injuries, but I would seriously not put those into self driving bag.

iooi · on March 19, 2018

Can you provide a source? From all the articles I can find, the language is all pretty much the same:

"Tesla driver killed while using autopilot"

"The Tesla driver killed in the first known fatal crash involving a self-driving car"

"It's been nearly a year and a half since Joshua Brown became the first person to die in a car driving itself."

"Tesla bears some blame for self-driving crash death, feds say"

dahdum · on March 19, 2018

Tesla doesn’t have self driving capability, their autopilot is just driver assistance (like adaptive cruise control).

falcolas · on March 19, 2018

Driver assistance that takes care of everything (i.e. steering, braking, navigating, parking), that at the time the accident occurred didn't even require hands on the steering wheel?

Seems like an attempt to shift the blame off the autopilot system and onto the driver.

dang · on March 19, 2018

Could you please not use allcaps for emphasis in HN comments?

This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

iooi · on March 19, 2018

Sorry, I just pasted the text in the article.

imh · on March 19, 2018

There may be more than that. This one wasn't as heavily covered https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/09/14/second-fatal-crash-ma...

iooi · on March 19, 2018

Interesting, apparently there's no way to know if autopilot was enabled or not.

> A Tesla spokesperson said the car in the Chinese wreck was badly damaged and unable to transmit data. “We therefore have no way of knowing whether or not Autopilot was engaged at the time of the crash,” the spokesperson said in a statement.

ezconnect · on March 19, 2018

Require black boxes then for auto cars

smsm42 · on March 19, 2018

Why not the same for human-driven cars? Human-driven cars kill thousands, if 2 victims of auto-driven cars make black boxes necessary, sure thousands of victims of human-driven ones do?

nafizh · on March 19, 2018

Tesla Autopilot != Self-driving(full autonomy)