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That's an interesting perspective, but faced with an immediate painful death I doubt science would be on your mind. Not to mention that it's not known if the research obtained is useful at all. There's already a serious crisis in Chinese science in terms of falsified results.


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If it helps, I am certainly in favor of opt-out organ donation. I don't hold religious beliefs.

I think you are applying utilitarianism to a point where it is no longer useful. Sure, I guess if a dissident is executed we might as well make good use of it, right? But this misses the forest for the trees. An ethical climate like this makes for a worse society overall, since people will naturally be inclined to do worse things out of their own subjective interpretation of utilitarian value. In a place where people try to aim for abstract and idealistic moral values, you paradoxically have a situation where life gets easier as there is an additional mental block against poor incentive cycles such as arresting more dissidents and destroying more families to have more organs.

There's a reason why abstract moral frameworks like abrahamic religion have enjoyed a good evolutionary run. Ultimately calculating utility in a helpful way is an almost impossible task for a group humans with different aims. That's why the satisfaction of coming up with edgy utilitarian conclusions is in fact a red herring.


The only thing Mengele contributed to science, unintentionally, was the Nuremburg Code. A set of ethical principles for human experimentation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code



Huh? Mengele was playing at sadism, nothing more. Injecting dyes into twin's eyes to see if he could create Aryan eye colour, shooting and autopsying a still warm inmate to win a bet of whose diagnosis was correct, connecting up twins to try and make them conjoined.

His medical defence was specifically denied as he did nothing to contribute to the Nazi war effort.

He did none of the valid, but unethical, Nazi research like the well known hypothermia experiments.


I have to agree, my reference to Mengele was rather metaphorical.


You should go find a Holocaust survivor and check. I'm sure many of them take comfort in the fact that destruction of their lives contributed to the progress of science.


What can a Holocaust survivor tell us about the horrors of Nazism in 2019? They were likely toddlers at the time of Holocaust.


I'm not sure what you were trying to achieve with all the gratuitous Nazi references in this thread, but please don't post like this to HN. It leads to flamewars and we don't want those here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Yes if I were a Jew I would be very happy that I may die so the true Aryan race can be born. /s Not a very sound line of reasoning.


If you were a humanist, you wouldn't care about the distinction between Jews and Aryans in the first place ;-)




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