All the data from other countries that god rid of guns supports the opposite of this. Show some statistics or stop saying this.
"are you gonna make cars illegal too?"
Ones that can be easily used to kill people? Hopefully, eventually, yes. We already heavily restrict them, license them carefully, track them meticulously, require them to be registered, and constantly improve technology and legal standards to make them less likely to kill people -- unlike guns in America. Soon all new cars will have technology in them to make it very difficult to run someone over with.
"People who want to hurt people also don't care what laws there are, they can buy guns illegally."
So I suppose you're in favour of having no laws at all? Since people will just break them? This argument only works if you're in favour of total anarchism.
Both gun crime AND the overall murder rate dropped substantially since Australia heavily restricted guns in the late 90s [1] - i.e. people don't just switch to other weapons - murder, plus accidental death, actually decreases.
"They've tried banning everything in England and criminals will still kill people with just about anything."
Nope. Not having guns works:
Homicide rate per 100,000 people in 2017 according to UN-CTS:
Go ahead and compare rural US where all the guns are to rural Europe. Similar rates of crime and violence. Take out the major US metropolitan areas that have gun control and see what happens to your comparisons.
When you compare an island the size of Mississippi with 29 citizens of 250k population and a much larger homogenous population, historically weak self-defense and higher reliance on government, etc etc to the whole of the US - I personally don’t think that’s an apt comparison at all.
Why is it size AND population similar countries aren’t ever compared when making this “gunz are bad” argument?
>major US metropolitan areas that have gun control
They don't have gun control in the sense that the UK and most other European countries have gun control. You can even get a permit to carry a concealed weapon in NYC, for example.
> You can even get a permit to carry a concealed weapon in NYC
Ok, I’ll do it for you. Rural crime in USA is 2.0 - 3.5 / 100k in USA depending on region. Where all the guns are, the shootings aren’t.
NYC... for example... SHALL ISSUE state, you’re effectively wrong. Only the connected and elite can get carry permits in NYC. That’ll change soon with the latest SC case coming up.
You’re right, it’s not “the same” gun control. Like Paris where guns for private ownership and stored in your home are effectively banned, yet, worse mass shootings than any in the US ever. Or Norway where black rifles are banned, but worse mass shooting of kids than any in the US.
You’re right, it’s not the same - but what we can look at is IN THE USA, the places with the most gun control have the most shootings, in inconvenient fact.
Ok, so... by your argument. It’s the people carrying legally in the US that are going around shooting people?
And I believe I proposed the question of why size AND population aren’t compared ever? I think it’s because when you compare Russia or Mexico or Brazil to US, with much stricter the gun control the argument falls apart. You need to pick small population and or small isolated homogeneous populations to make your argument - if you think that’s legitimate keep at it.
Are you arguing crime or events? France and Norway beat US in events, gun control doesn’t seem to work there.
If you are talking crime, yes USA crime is higher - in the areas with more gun control. I’d argue the cause of the crime is our poor handling of drug and poverty and not focus on the tool used.
Guns have increased DRAMATICALLY since the crime highs of the 1990s, but crime has dropped to just above the lows of the 1960s.
You have ZERO data for causation of more guns equal more crime because we have opposite evidence.
So while I can’t say more guns EQUALS less crime - I can definitely say more guns hasn’t CAUSED more crime like you are saying.
I don't know what you mean by "events". More people get shot in the US.
There are obviously lots of confounding factors in relation to crime statistics in different areas of the USA. It's more revealing to look longitudinally at the positive effects of gun control legislation in e.g. the UK and Australia.
All the data from other countries that god rid of guns supports the opposite of this. Show some statistics or stop saying this.
"are you gonna make cars illegal too?"
Ones that can be easily used to kill people? Hopefully, eventually, yes. We already heavily restrict them, license them carefully, track them meticulously, require them to be registered, and constantly improve technology and legal standards to make them less likely to kill people -- unlike guns in America. Soon all new cars will have technology in them to make it very difficult to run someone over with.
"People who want to hurt people also don't care what laws there are, they can buy guns illegally."
So I suppose you're in favour of having no laws at all? Since people will just break them? This argument only works if you're in favour of total anarchism.
Both gun crime AND the overall murder rate dropped substantially since Australia heavily restricted guns in the late 90s [1] - i.e. people don't just switch to other weapons - murder, plus accidental death, actually decreases.
"They've tried banning everything in England and criminals will still kill people with just about anything."
Nope. Not having guns works:
Homicide rate per 100,000 people in 2017 according to UN-CTS:
United Kingdom: 1.2
United States: 5.3
[1] https://crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/1_trends/