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OK, but what is the base rate for injuries?

Car factories can be dangerous place, so you would expect a certain amount of injuries over time, doctors with shady backgrounds, etc.

Keep in mind that everything Tesla do is scrutinized and publicized, along with every stories of malfeasance, real or imagined, along with Tesla fanboy and Tesla haters amplifying the noise.

Which of course, make it incredibly difficult to be objective.



> OK, but what is the base rate for injuries?

That is the whole point of the allegations: that Tesla does not report accurate numbers so any comparison is meaningless. If the doctor supervising the clinic refuses to sign any paperwork that contains reportable injuries, then the bureaucrat's report will show that "there were no physician-verified reportable injuries" therefore "we must be the safest factory in the world". One of the more prominent whistle blowers actually worked at other car factories and reported that the injury rate at Tesla was staggering - orders of magnitude higher than at any other factory she worked at. She also said that because the physician would refuse to document or sign any documentation with reportable injuries, the paperwork did not match reality.

Look, there have been enough whistleblowers that I would be highly suspicious even if I were Musk's biggest fan. Every once in a while we get an article[1] and then Tesla destroys the whistleblower's life and the journalists just stops reporting. Elon's fans then go nuts on Twitter saying that it's the Tesla Bears or whatever new Illumanti Cabal is out to stop Musk.

There will certainly be more and maybe someday people will care, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Tesla buyers just don't care about poor people and Elon Musk literally wanted to keep his factories operating during a global pandemic, so expecting empathy from him is futile.

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[1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/6/18064326/tesla-factory-wo...

Or: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2019/03/01/tesla-sa...

Or: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/13/tesla-wor...

Or: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/18/tesla-wor...

Really the sky is the limit.


There's no particular reason for car factories to be dangerous. It's just sloppy management.


I am not asking about whether it should happen, but what is typical for an automotive factory.


Hi, I worked for the UAW campaign to organize Tesla a while back, and I did some of the data analysis for this report. https://uaw.org/report-worksafe-internal-tesla-data-shows-in...

I wish I could answer questions about it but at this point it's been years and I've forgotten basically all the details. I will say though that there were suspicious gaps in Tesla's incident reports of months going by without the slightest incident, from the very beginning of I think April 2015 to the end of the calendar year.

You may dismiss it as biased, since it obviously is, but the methodology of the portions I worked on or saw was honest.


Yeah, that's pretty much in line with what every report has said, and that's even keeping in mind American car factories have higher injury rates than their foreign competitors in general.


Tesla's injury rates were 30% higher than the average car company, and close to double in the case of serious injuries: https://www.revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is...

And that's not including the evidence that Tesla has left many injuries off the books.




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