> Christ, what's next? You accuse us of controlling people's minds with vaccinations we get directly from Bill Gates? And that systemd uses 5G to spread CoV-2?
> I will block discussions here now, since I don't think we need the input from the script kiddie peanut gallery here.
Ohh my what a toxic open source community. I can't imagine working on a software project where the lead dev/maintainer says things like that to people.
Edit: I suppose with all the downvotes apparently lot's of people here think such responses from the leader of a open source project is acceptable behavior.
I'll admit that I don't actively seek out Poettering's online postings, so I pretty much only see his behavior when it's bad enough to make the news. But isn't it a little silly to say he's generally polite and helpful in most of his interactions? What really matters is whether he's capable of being polite and helpful when there's a real disagreement, and especially when he's wrong. His reputation indicates he tends to have a distinctly impolite "my way or the highway" attitude in those circumstances, and examples of it are plentiful. Are there counterexamples where he humbly admits being wrong, or at least acknowledges the validity of criticism when affirming his stance?
Even before systemd, Poettering was one of the more uncaring, abrasive project maintainers, e.g. in pulseaudio. If there is no slack for Torvalds, there shouldn't be for Poettering.
I don’t care if Poettering's an a—hole or not. I enjoy reading Torvald’s rants, in fact. They’re usually informative.
I’m upset that he has done more than any other developer to break my machines, and he keeps getting more authority so screw things up.
PulseAudio was bad enough, but at least it only broke one subsystem. SystemD has unapologetically broken: background process management, time keeping, network resolution, pam authentication, screen saver session management, x11 startup, logging, and probably more.
> I’m upset that he has done more than any other developer to break my machines, and he keeps getting more authority so screw things up.
I may be wrong, but you should be blaming the ones who made the _actual_ decision of replacing whichever init system, with systemd.
systemd was developed under Red Hat's umbrella. Nowadays, the vast majority of mainstream Linux distributions use it, and I doubt it was because Red Hat/Poettering pressure them to do so.
I would expect that an experienced leader would have learned the lesson that the satisfaction of writing a nasty comment is short but the consequences are much longer, not sure if he just can't control himself or maybe he enjoys the spectacle and making himself a "victim".
The guy is paid for his work so I would have expect he would act more professional, the excuse that he works for free in his spare time does not apply.
I wouldn't consider any of those responses as being "generally polite", He could have just said we already discussed this, linked to the old discussion and thanked the people for their concern and closed the issue, no need for him to respond with nasty language.
I don't like it either, but Lennart Poettering already has a reputation for this. If you've spent time listening to criticism of systemd and some of his other projects, this is not news.
I think it may be a mistake to extrapolate his attitude to the scale of "open source community", even though it is also fair to say he is not the only one with this problem either.
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> Christ, what's next? You accuse us of controlling people's minds with vaccinations we get directly from Bill Gates? And that systemd uses 5G to spread CoV-2?
A joke occurrs to me. Systemd already does so much. It wouldn't surprise me if that were in there too!
>I can't imagine working on a software project where the lead dev/maintainer says things like that to people.
But have you ever written a unit file? So much better than writing an init shell script. That apparently excuses any other issue with systemd for a lot of people.
Shell really isn’t that hard to learn, and it’s a skill that transfers to many other problems.
I’ve looked at Unit files in a futile attempt to debug a startup failure. They seem worse (much less debuggable or transparent) than the old init system Linux had in the 90’s and worlds away from modern implementations, like OpenBSD’s.
I don't use Linux and have no any opinion on systemd either way, but based on what I saw on Slashdot about it some years back, there are a significant number people out there who acted as if systemd and Lennart Poettering (one of its creators) were one of the worst things to happen since Hitler.
I'm largely ambivalent as to whether or not his behaviour here was acceptable, but I am pretty sure he has received death threats and other types of abuse from systemd haters in the past, so his complete lack of patience at baseless accusations does not surprise me at all.
On a related note, while I still skim Slashdot's front page daily, I just can't stand to look at the comments anymore. I think the trolls, "bitter sysadmins" and bigots have largely frightened away everyone else. For example, if you just mention you're actually alright with Microsoft Windows, then you're accused of being a shill who's life goal is to make everyone else's life miserable.
> I will block discussions here now, since I don't think we need the input from the script kiddie peanut gallery here.
Ohh my what a toxic open source community. I can't imagine working on a software project where the lead dev/maintainer says things like that to people.
Edit: I suppose with all the downvotes apparently lot's of people here think such responses from the leader of a open source project is acceptable behavior.