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> So this makes me wonder, if amazon are bundling-up returned items into pallets and selling them in bulk, how did clearly returned items get sold back to an end user?

If the item is (looks) unopened and pristine, Amazon will usually sell it again as new.

Some switcharoos are caught, some are not.



No, this was an Amazon Warehouse deal, in which you purposefully buy a returned item at a discount.


Right. Though it does happen with "new" items as well, I've been hit with RAM swapped in the package with an older module (sold by Amazon as new).


They could catch it multiples ways. Simple precise weight measurement would catch basic scammers. They could X-ray the package and use cv to determine if the contents have been modified or not.


How would this catch this particular case, were you just put the same thing back in except one has a small "8 GB" sticker on it?


They have different weights according Amazon’s site. 1.75 vs 1.45 pounds.


Xray + CV will fail horribly when the device is sent back with the power cable wrapped around it...


The reference was to shrink wrapped(unopened) returns. If it’s open, employees could do a manual inspection.


Why automate? Pay someone to open the box and check.


Cost of multiple shifts at multiple locations + cost of implementing verification process + cost of security and oversight + cost of extra inventory loss due to employee theft

vs

Cost of negative image (deferred via simple returns) + cost of inventory loss duo to fraud + cost of inventory loss due to employees

It's simpler to simply eat the cost of abuse.


And now the (possibly fake) security seal is definitely broken, so "probably new" becomes "definitely used"


> If the item is (looks) unopened and pristine, Amazon will usually sell it again as new.

This is a big reason I stopped purchasing most goods from Amazon.

I was tired of getting open-box merch sold as brand new.


Isnt this mass fraud being committed by amazon then?


I'm no legal expert, but I imagine it would be very difficult to prove that Amazon is committing fraud.

In Washington State, Fraud has a very specific meaning, and requires me (the victim) to prove 9 elements of fraud.

These elements include proving Amazon intentionally mislead me by stating false facts, and that as a result of the fraud, I suffered damages.

As other threads have mentioned, the sheer scale at which Amazon operates means they deal with logistical issues differently than other retailers. To ensure 100% rate for returns would increase the cost to Amazon, which would either be eaten by the company, or passed along to the consumer.




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