In what sense is Japan "internationalist"? Their culture is nationalist, and more closed to foreigners compared to other countries.
In their relatively recent past they were outright xenophobic. It is my (possibly outdated) understanding that even today they make distinction between descendants of Japanese born abroad and the "true" Japanese, to the point they have different words to tell them apart.
> It is my (possibly outdated) understanding that even today they make distinction between descendants of Japanese born abroad and the "true" Japanese, to the point they have different words to tell them apart.
And the USA distinguishes "natural-born american citizens" from "american citizens". The law in America forbids a foreign-born citizen from being president.
Similarly, English also has a special term, a "natural-born citizen", to distinguish this difference. Having different phrases for two different things doesn't really mean much.
By contrast, according to the wikipedia page on the subject (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_Japanese), Japan has no restrictions on foreign-born citizens. They can become Prime Minister and hold other political offices. The difficulties lie in gaining such a citizenship, not in what you can legally do once you have it.
I do think there are valid points you could make about how Japan's policies and culture have resulted in relatively low foreign immigration, but the talk of "having different words for things" and types of citizenship doesn't further your point nor seem based in fact.
> The law in America forbids a foreign-born citizen from being president.
This is incorrect. John McCain was born in a foreign country, but he was born to American citizen parents, which made him natural born anyway. Someone who was born to noncitizen parents, but born within the geographical US would also be considered natural born. The US definition of "natural born citizen" is a lot more flexible than what most countries will allow even for naturalized citizens.
Which was a mildly interesting law review topic pulling in various aspects of English common law and practices--although, had it became relevant, there is little doubt that "McCain isn't natural born" would have been widely seen as a fringe position.
"In some sense" is what gets interesting :-) But I agree that both fall into an interesting (if probably not ultimately very important) area of ambiguity in US constitutional law and common law.
The arguments as I recall were basically two-fold: 1.) At the time, it was the Canal Zone (which wasn't quite US soil but maybe close enough) and 2.) There were some long-standing common law precedents related to agents of the king, diplomats, etc.
US law has traditionally held that if both parents are US citizens then the child is a natural-born US citizen regardless of where in the world they are born. This was specifically in support of diplomats, military, etc. I am not aware of a context in which this wasn’t true.
The only complicated area in law is when only a single parent is a US citizen and the child is born overseas. This was a consequence of the 20th century reality that the US had vast numbers of military personnel stationed globally.
If either of your biological parents is an American citizen, you are automatically a natural born American citizen, regardless of where geographically you are born.
This is why Obama, McCain and Ted Cruz are eligible for the Presidency
The phenomenon the previous post was responding to of kikokushijyo (ie returnee kids) is pretty strange and unique to somewhere like Japan (or other closed highly mannered social groups like 19th C. British aristocracy) with complicated social rules and obligations that one is supposed to internalize from very early in life. Kids are bullied or denied certain opportunities essentially because Japanese culture is so peculiar that they are in an uncanny valley of looking, speaking and being Japanese but not knowing all the rules perfectly.
Japan actually has much narrower restrictions on who can become head of state than the US does. It just doesn't combine that role with the head of government.
Ah, thanks for clarifying my understanding of the "natural born citizen" rule. I was operating under this misconception due to the whole nonsensical birthplace drama around Obama's election, and I appreciate the nudge to read up on it.
It seems like I was operating under a false understanding of it, and I'll remember that for the future.
> Japan actually has much narrower restrictions on who can become head of state than the US does. It just doesn't combine that role with the head of government.
Sure, fine, you can only be the Emperor of Japan by blood, just like you can only be "The Queen" (as recognized by the UK, Canada, and Australia) by blood. It's a ceremonial role, and I don't think it impacts my overall point.
The US rules are not only complicated but they have changed over time, and the determination is usually based on the rules at the time you were born. If both parents are American, or you are born in the US, it is pretty straightforward and mostly always has been. If only one parent is American and you are born overseas, “natural-born” citizenship is not automatic and depends on other factors. Having a single American parent is not sufficient on its own to be a natural-born American under US law.
This is why it became a thing with Obama. If he was born in the US then it was unambiguous. If he was born outside the US then the aggregate circumstances of his birth had a legitimate potential, under the rules at the time, to deem him not “natural-born”. It isn’t terribly surprising that people with a political angle were going to litigate that in the court of public opinion, and the vast majority of Americans have no idea how those citizenship laws work.
> True, though there is no clear consensus on what the former means, it is clear it is narrower than the latter.
No the consensus is pretty clear and only gets muddied up when there are political reasons for trying to invalidate someone's presidential candidacy. To become a citizen involves going through a "naturalization" process. A natural-born citizen is anyone whose citizenship came by birth rather than through naturalization. There may have been some ambiguity when the Republic was young, borders were porous, and documentation to track births and deaths and such was scarce or easily forged. But today we've got that all pretty much locked down.
> the USA distinguishes "natural-born american citizens" from "american citizens". The law in America forbids a foreign-born citizen from being president.
The US has one law making that distinction, and another in the Constitution guaranteeing equal protection under the law, which controls every other law. Beyond a doubt, and one minor, extremely narrow case, the US does not distinguish.
I think he tried to avoid mentioning heritages. He would have had to throw in a dozen racism terms to explain it in full and that might not be for the best interest here.
Clearly you want to introduce them, without introducing them yourself - and so putting them in someone else's mouth. I agree with the other thought; please take the racism elsewhere.
Japan has scarce natural resources. It's also situated on an archipelago. Without international (and, importantly, overseas) trade, it ceases to exist as an industrial civilization. The necessity (and, yes, in contradiction with the traditionally collectivist and exclusive character of its people's culture) of international relations to the survival of the 21st century Japanese state is well-known, and the source of no small amount of consternation on the part of those concerned with the notion of a Japanese identity. I'm not educated or familiar enough with their cultural dynamics to say for certain, but I can imagine the exclusivity of Japanese identity being partially a reaction to its precariousness.
> In what sense is Japan "internationalist"? Their culture is nationalist, and more closed to foreigners compared to other countries.
That's a fair point, but we need to talk about matters of degree. What is happening today and since WWII is nothing like what happened before. Japan isn't about to invade neighbors and butcher them, and that is in part an intentional outcome of the postwar order - to rid the world of (that kind of) nationalism.
Japan's constitution even forbids having a military, a clause strongly supported for generations (unless something changed very recently).
It is outdated indeed. First, take care not to mix what Japan is and what Japanese random people in the streets think it is. Japan is a Chinese spinoff from the first millenia, an american-influenced economical force with a heavy (relatively) Russian illegal immigration.
My point is going to be weird, but I'm now Chinese having been born in the north of France, and my skin happens to be white. Even China, a country most would say is nationalist, is not monocultural - it just moved the needle of what they claim is a culture (love of the land, obedience to the party, instead of language, color purity, ethnic roots) and embrace the fact they are diverse while trying to enforce an interface (mandarin). And, well, we're not an internationalist democracy by your definition but probably a multicultural dictatorship by your other definitions. And I think Japan is a lot less archetypal than you (and to be fair, communist propaganda too) think, as well.
I'm not sure what you think "my definitions" are, but do note I specifically mentioned Japan and not China. I never said or claimed anything about China.
In their relatively recent past they were outright xenophobic. It is my (possibly outdated) understanding that even today they make distinction between descendants of Japanese born abroad and the "true" Japanese, to the point they have different words to tell them apart.