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Exactly. I would add that the spirit of system is realising that people have different abilities and training them accordingly to their potential, and there is nothing wrong with that. Realschule and Hauptschule are not there to try to get everyone back into gymnasium track. The merits of Realschule and Hauptschule are well established in society since they are the pipeline of people that end up in practical and technical jobs e.g. doing machine maintenance in factories and so on.

Some snark: it is mostly intelectuals that dread at the thought and possible implication that not all people are meant to get an university degree.To achieve that goal they are willing to degrade all standards so that anyone can have a pretty paper in wooden frame.



> they are the pipeline of people that end up in practical and technical jobs e.g. doing machine maintenance in factories and so on.

These jobs are going away in the near future. Nowadays the only people who work in factories are highly skilled engineers with complex e.g. CNC skills and a heavy math background.


How are you so sure about all that? I don't see which upcoming development would make machine setup, maintenance and repairs go away. It's exactly the stuff that computers are not good at. It's things that require high dexterity, improvisation, interaction with business functions etc - things that computers and robots are not good at.

I have a personal corollary to the Dunning-Kruger effect: If you don't understand why something is difficult, you are completely clueless about it. And most things are difficult in some way.


Chesterton’s fence as applied to Dunning-Kruger? I love it!


A CNC mill is a machine that needs to be maintained and operated by someone, and that someone is more likely to have learned the necessary practical skills in an apprenticeship and/or at a vocational school than at a university. You don't need a university degree to be a highly skilled worker, especially for jobs that require more practical experience than theoretical knowledge.


Oh my god!!! Sorry to react like this... Other people already commented that... That is sooooo much disconnected from reality it shows you never went to a factory floor. You never seen anything being produced in mass scale. Even the poster wall robot arms doing welding work need hundreds of people taking care of their set up, maintenance and much more. And those are complex machines. Even simpler machines such as steel presses that take in steel rolls and make steal parts of all shapes and sizes (e.g. car breaks, fridge doors, anything with steel actually) take a huge amount of set up work, management and maintenance. In Germany (which I know well) you see plenty of kids (18yos) in factories learning all these detaild skills from older workers. Takes them some years to become good and they are very sought after. Companies do worry if can get good high school kids to take their aprentiships. This has ZERO to do with higher math or bachelor's degree engeneiring education.




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