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One of the funniest things in American politics is that almost all uncritical support for Israel comes from the evangelical christians. For them, Israel is always right, no matter what, and must be defended at all costs.

The jew friends I have are way more balanced and critical of Israel human right abuses than the christians, who seems to feel that criticizing Israel is the same as denying its right to exist.



This is absolutely untrue. When you look at the political landscape, evangelicals have no power. And yet, when you look at any vote in Congress regarding Israeli issues, such as the recent vote to replenish the Iron Dome system, it was overwhelmingly voted in. The only "controversy" was the 3 or 4 people who objected initially, and were then bullied BY BOTH PARTIES into voting yes.


Evangelical Christians have enormous political power. That's why the last three appointees to the Supreme Court were vetted by pro-Life organizations and Roe v. Wade is in imminent danger.


Evangelicals Protestantism is the biggest religious category in the country (25%), yet no Supreme Court justice is Evangelical. By contrast, 6-7 are Catholic (21%) and 2 are Jewish (2%). That doesn't seem like enormous political power to me.


You don't have to be a politician to hold political power.


By nature of being a whole lot of people, they do have a significant degree of power. That's how democracy is supposed to work.

I'm just pointing out that the Supreme Court is a ridiculous example of this, as they are arguably the most underrepresented group there.


The Supreme Court includes a number of conservative Catholics, appointed by Presidents who were either evangelical Christian (Alito/Bush) or closely allied with them (Kavanaugh/Trump, Barrett/Trump), who tend to take positions on policies that are similar to that of evangelical Christians.

Amy Coney Barrett may be Catholic, but she was heavily favored by evangelicals, with specific interest in overturning Roe v. Wade.


Indeed, they are a large voting base of an alliance of religious conservatives (along with Mormons, conservative Catholics, etc.) that is hyperfocused on that one issue, and so seemingly having some success on it.

But it's not like Amy Coney Barrett is barely Catholic. She's been heavily involved in the church her whole life, and her career has been centered around a deeply Catholic university. She only represents Evangelicals in situations where their belief overlaps with those of the Catholic church.


This gets complicated.

Barrett is both deeply Catholic and part of an organization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_Praise) that features aspects typically more in line with American evangelical Protestantism. The Catholic Church can be a surprisingly diverse group theologically; American bishops are frequently feuding with the Pope over issues like the death penalty and abortion.

American evangelicals didn't get in line behind Barrett and Kavanaugh on account of their Catholicism.


Sure, this is all complicated. Groups have similarities and overlaps. Anything "charismatic" gets strange. And red state politicians have been able to put a lot of pressure on abortion by basically being supreme court single-issue voters on it.

But I still tend to believe that if Evangelical Protestants were really the ones controlling who is nominated and confirmed to the supreme court more than anyone else, we'd see at least a single Evangelical Protestant on it.


Exempt from disclosing lobbying efforts: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/07/gods-lobbyists/


Have you ever seen one of those art pieces where when you look at it from the front it looks like a jumbled mess of shapes, but when you walk around it, your perspective shifts to reveal a meaningful message or image?

Imagine if rather than gaining its independence from the UK, the USA instead of becoming its own independent country, was still called the United States of America, but over time, in practice it had become totally servile, dependent on, psychologically submissive and subjugated to the British aristocracy that rules the UK and Americans worshipped them as demigods.


And yet, abortions continue to be legal everywhere. It's almost as if, the supreme court is there to just rubber stamp what the elite class of our country already dictates.


Perhaps you have not been keeping up with recent events such as the Texas Heartbeat Act 2021 [1], which makes most cases of abortion illegal in Texas.

There are further policies planned in a similar vein.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act


> And yet, abortions continue to be legal everywhere.

This is expected to change shortly, due to those very same "three appointees to the Supreme Court".

The assertion that "evangelicals have no power" in the US is simply silly.


I'm not sure where you're getting that from


This point is expanded upon in the video titled: "Cynthia McKinney US Lawmakers Forced to Sign Pledge to Support Israels"


ah yes, of course, the notorious evangelical christian lobby whose only goal is unquestionable bipartisan support for Israel.


I didn't say that. I am not referring to the congress, where probably industrial military complex considerations are the main driver of the decisions.

I am talking about the culture, the people at large. I can't see no other segment of civil society more vocal and passionate about Israels defense than some groups of evangelical christians, and this Texas law is just an example of that.


They're not making anti Canada boycott laws. They're not making anti Mexico boycott laws. Its buy American. Or buy Israeli


Your jew friends are under quite some pressure to fit in and not come out as priviledged/zionist pigs/disloyal Americans/etc etc. It's not really an easy position to be in.




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