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Need to stop a student uprising ? Roll the tanks. Once I understood that about the country, I stopped discussing morals and instead focus on debating cost.


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Citation extremely needed


How about the Chief Prosecutor for two UN Criminal Tribunals?

There are many more sources on the wikipedia page for "War Crimes in Kosovo"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carla_Del_Ponte


That says there’s no evidence. While it may still be true you can’t just state like it’s a well known and accepted fact. That is certainly not true.

If you want to make controversial claims you’d better make sure you can back it up. Right now it does not add in a valuable way to the conversation.


The following wikipedia article contains hundreds of sources for war crimes committed on both sides (Yugoslav and KLA). KLA were officially NATO allies, and a lot of video evidence and official UN evidence exists regarding alleged locations, witness intimidation, and failure to prosecute KLA's top commanders.

There is a 3 hour documentary produced about the whole war in which Carla Del Ponte was featured.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War


Your first citation references a woman forcibly removed from her post and then goes on to make unorthodox claims about both the Yugoslav and Syrian wars, neither of which are supported by evidence.

That was from your citation.


This article, from ABC News, reports in 2021 that senior KLA officials have pled guilty to witness intimidation.

It also states that after 10,000 Albanians were killed, thousands of Serbs were victims of "revenge" attacks.

Do you personally hold the belief that not a single Serb was harmed between 1992-2008?

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/kosovo-wa...


Now you’re moving the goalposts - I said a citation was needed that NATO was harvesting Serbian organs. You’ve yet to supply one and are apparently unable to do so.


From the Wikipedia article I linked, here is just one of the sources which states that the EU issued a report stating that "organ trafficking did take place on a limited scale by a few individuals".

I am not moving the goal posts. Hashim Thaci intimidated witnesses who were supposed to testify in the organ trafficking trial.

How do you live with yourself knowing you are not debating in good faith?

https://balkaninsight.com/2015/09/04/kosovo-organ-traffickin...


Why did we shift from discussing the US to "the West"?


I would hardly bring the Balkans as an example of "the West". That's a mix of Soviet / middle Eastern cultured countries.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about racism, rape or organ trafficking in any war zone. No-one fighting a war is innocent, not even if you control the media like the West does.

There was no evidence, only allegations brought up by the prosecutor you mentioned.


> That's a mix of Soviet / middle Eastern cultured countries.

I don't know. Everyone seems on board with Ukraine being considered a Western democracy.


NATO and KLA were officially allies.




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