> But in accordance with what quite a lot of other Ukranians wanted, voted for and worked for for a long time.
Nope, the rejection of Eu did not had that much support. Trying to frame these two groups as equivalent in standing is a lie. And also, Americans did not made 10000 people to protest either.
> they wisely decided on neutrality and have been living with that peacefully for hundreds of years, staying out of many wars involving some or all of their neighbors.
This is nonsense. Neutrality means exactly what is happening now - large scale invasion from Russia. Anti-Ukrainien sentiment was there for being actively build up in Russia for years. Russia don't want to Ukrainien neutrality. They want to eliminate Ukraine all together. And there is no way you dont know it at this point.
And the debate here is about EU not even nato.
Also, real neutrality would required that there is no meddling from Russia either, that Russia wont try to impose own will on Ukraine. Wont try to put own puppets into government. Wont try to turn Ukraine into autocracy like Belarus. It would also required Russia to abandon imperialistic ideology, abandon the "we will suppress Ukrainian language and identity again" plans too.
This war is not about west. This war is about Russia.
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For that matter, Finland seems to be rethinking neutrality too now. Just one more data point about how "neutrality" is not looking "wise" now. It is either "naive", "attempt at dishonest framing" or "I want Russia to annex Ukraine, actually".
Nope, the rejection of Eu did not had that much support. Trying to frame these two groups as equivalent in standing is a lie. And also, Americans did not made 10000 people to protest either.
> they wisely decided on neutrality and have been living with that peacefully for hundreds of years, staying out of many wars involving some or all of their neighbors.
This is nonsense. Neutrality means exactly what is happening now - large scale invasion from Russia. Anti-Ukrainien sentiment was there for being actively build up in Russia for years. Russia don't want to Ukrainien neutrality. They want to eliminate Ukraine all together. And there is no way you dont know it at this point.
And the debate here is about EU not even nato.
Also, real neutrality would required that there is no meddling from Russia either, that Russia wont try to impose own will on Ukraine. Wont try to put own puppets into government. Wont try to turn Ukraine into autocracy like Belarus. It would also required Russia to abandon imperialistic ideology, abandon the "we will suppress Ukrainian language and identity again" plans too.
This war is not about west. This war is about Russia.
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For that matter, Finland seems to be rethinking neutrality too now. Just one more data point about how "neutrality" is not looking "wise" now. It is either "naive", "attempt at dishonest framing" or "I want Russia to annex Ukraine, actually".