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Religion isn't enough to be the primary driver here and it's becoming less important with time.

We've raised a 2-3 generation on popular dogma in which human life is the most sacred thing imaginable and now we have a society full of people do not generally posses the requisite mental faculties to have adult discussion about subjects that involve harm to people (or apparently fetuses). We're reaping what we sowed.

You see this same "arrive at an obviously sub-optimal solution because we can't nut up and cause a little quantifiable harm to get to the better solution" problem across many subjects. Abortion is just one of the most obvious.



True that religion isn't the primary driver anymore. There is a huge indisputable overlap but to say it is religious dogma doesn't adequately identify the "problem". I believe current polarization is much more relevant that this has become a topic again.

Every culture does inflate the value of human life and a society is well served by doing exactly that. Technically this is ideology or religion too, but so is everything you put on a pedestal instead. But that isn't at all a detriment for the argument for abortion even from a purely utilitarian point of view that acknowledges reality that abortions will happen if they are legal or illegal. I do think some societal and cultural problems do increase the number of abortions significantly and there are significantly less arguments against those that want to reduce abortions.

> can't nut up and cause a little quantifiable harm to get to the better solution

This is impotent reasoning. What is sub-optimal? From which perspective and for whom? Acknowledging reality does also mean that there aren't that many people that wish they were aborted. It is a gray decision but "nutting up" is no solution.


I get your point, but at the same time realize that "a little quantifiable harm to get to the better solution" is a _really_ steep, slippery slope. (I could make the argument that precise rationalization led to the Holocaust and World War 2.)




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