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A fetus isn’t a person like a black person or Native American wasn’t a full person, like children weren’t full people, or like women weren’t given the same rights as men?


As animals aren't full persons?

I mean, i do know a odd full-vegan (no harm to even insects, whereas most vegan i know draw the line to living being with fully formed nociceptors) pro-life, and i respect it, at least he isn't hypocritical. He is also very religious, ardently non-violent, and his life choice are based on his faith (that i won't name here).

Mammals are more conscious of themselves than embryos, are aware of and can recognize themselve in a mirror (baby do not recognize themselves until 14 to 24 months btw). They do have fully formed nociceptors, and even when those aren't triggered, are aware of being mutilated, of their brethren being mutilated or killed.

I cannot take seriously a "pro-life" who eat mammal meat. I don't really care what you eat, but at least your diet should follow your "convictions".


Animals aren’t full people. That is correct.


Does a black person require their every biological process be maintained by the body of another? If yes, then OK your comparison makes sense.


There are plenty of birthed people that are in that state. Mostly infants, but many with developmental disabilities or other conditions. Eugenics had the same idea. Do you want To be the arbiter of the minimal set of bodily functions required to be human? What if you end up in a state with one less than the value chosen, should someone else be able to decide whether you live or die?


There is no "one less than the value chosen" in this case - the embryo is 100% reliant on the mother for every single possible life function - circulation, respiration, digestion, homeostasis, everything. The only "babies" that are "born" in that state are early miscarriages. This is the slippery slope fallacy writ large, in the same way as comparing a minority to an embryo was.


You think that a 20 week old child has no chance of living outside a womb? The current earliest premie is 21 weeks. It will only go lower with better technology. The slope slips to its logical conclusion: conception.

Here’s a thought exercise: take whatever you would consider a viable human and rewind to one developed cell earlier. Is that a human? Repeat until you can guarantee it is not a human. How far do you have to go until that is true for all instances of all fetuses? I came to the conclusion that an embryo, which can live and grow outside of a womb is the earliest logical point to consider the organism a human and make subsequent opinions accordingly.


Does a black person have white skin color?

You can throw random things that differentiate one group from another, it doesn't mean that people are not people and you can kill them.




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