> helping save the lives of those babies who are now likely very glad they were born
I have met many people who hated their lives for many reasons. What makes you think these children won't?
Some of the reasons include:
- parents didn't want the children
- children grew up poor
- children grew up with disabilities
- children were put up for adoption
- the world is becoming uninhabitable for the children's children
I can't imagine how someone could feel good about birthing a baby without also giving all of the necessary safeties. And that's just looking at the children's perspective. What about the parents'?
Can you imagine having been raped, then being forced to carry an unwanted child to term, and then also being forced to pay child support to the rapist?
Can you imagine wanting a child but then discovering that the child will be stillborn or worse: born with debilitating defects that you aren't capable of dealing with?
If you want children then go have children. If you don't want children... then why should you be forced to?
> my default is that you really shouldn’t be killing your offspring or cutting up your insides unless you are removing something like cancer or shrapnel.
Indeed! Sometimes the baby is literally dying for reasons outside of your control. But without Roe v Wade then we cannot legally abort. A dying fetus can cause sepsis and death to the mother. That's certainly "something like cancer or shrapnel" in my book.
I had a lot of head-burying opinions too until I had a long and deep conversation with a female friend about politics. She had the patience to listen to what I had to say with the knowledge and experience necessary to provide alternate views. I suggest that you ask the women around you what they think. Don't stop at one or two. Really listen to them. Listen to their perspectives and their opinions. Try to put yourself in their shoes.
You will find that their perspectives and opinions differ from yours. You might even find that they enjoy things that you think should be sacred. You're not wrong and neither are they. But what is wrong is to force your morals and opinions onto them.
The overturning of R v W left substantive due process in tact, so there is still room for abortions when the unborn child threatens the life or serious health (blindness, etc.) of the mother.
What if instead of presuming whether the children will hate their lives, we let them grow up to a certain age, say age 9, and then ask them if they hate their lives? If they say yes, kill them, if they say no, let them live. There is no moral difference between this solution and abortion if the fetus is a baby. If the fetus is not a baby then there is a moral difference though, so... I guess the real question is whether or not the fetus is a baby.
My point is, any open-minded debate about abortion will always return to this question. As long as pro-abortion people ignore this question, they are talking past the pro-lifers and will never understand us.
Instead, we let them kill themselves off in droves. 1.21 million attempted suicides per year in the US alone.
I understand the pro-life POV quite well, I just have no respect for them when they drop off all support (aside from the occasional church donation) for children once they're outside the womb. I have no respect for those who value the life of a fetus (alive or dead) over that of the woman (miscarriages don't always clear themselves).
And let's not count those who die from a lack of a blood donation, organ transplant, or postmortem organ donations - things a pro-life advocate could do themselves, but "that's totally different".
I have met many people who hated their lives for many reasons. What makes you think these children won't?
Some of the reasons include:
- parents didn't want the children
- children grew up poor
- children grew up with disabilities
- children were put up for adoption
- the world is becoming uninhabitable for the children's children
I can't imagine how someone could feel good about birthing a baby without also giving all of the necessary safeties. And that's just looking at the children's perspective. What about the parents'?
Can you imagine having been raped, then being forced to carry an unwanted child to term, and then also being forced to pay child support to the rapist?
Can you imagine wanting a child but then discovering that the child will be stillborn or worse: born with debilitating defects that you aren't capable of dealing with?
If you want children then go have children. If you don't want children... then why should you be forced to?
> my default is that you really shouldn’t be killing your offspring or cutting up your insides unless you are removing something like cancer or shrapnel.
Indeed! Sometimes the baby is literally dying for reasons outside of your control. But without Roe v Wade then we cannot legally abort. A dying fetus can cause sepsis and death to the mother. That's certainly "something like cancer or shrapnel" in my book.
I had a lot of head-burying opinions too until I had a long and deep conversation with a female friend about politics. She had the patience to listen to what I had to say with the knowledge and experience necessary to provide alternate views. I suggest that you ask the women around you what they think. Don't stop at one or two. Really listen to them. Listen to their perspectives and their opinions. Try to put yourself in their shoes.
You will find that their perspectives and opinions differ from yours. You might even find that they enjoy things that you think should be sacred. You're not wrong and neither are they. But what is wrong is to force your morals and opinions onto them.