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No, there are people working on rockets and talking about Mars. Not the same thing.

When is the Mars launch? What's the schedule? It's 100% vaporware.



Come on, didn't you hear? Musk said in 2016 a meaningful number of people would be on Mars in 4 years. He has since extended that.... 2 years.


> there are people working on rockets and talking about Mars…it’s 100% vaporware

Methane engines and atmosphere-agnostic propulsive recovery are far from vapourware. It’s not a launch schedule. But that’s a straw man requirement for “working on” something.


> It’s not a launch schedule. But that’s a straw man requirement for “working on” something.

It's not a straw man when you don't trust the word and good faith of a modern day "Music Man".


> not a straw man when you don't trust the word and good faith

Then don’t.

Do you dispute that those technologies exist, and were developed by people dreaming of colonising Mars? The “when is the Mars launch” standard for “working on” something is a straw man because, by that definition, nobody is working on fusion energy or Alzheimer’s disease.


> Do you dispute that those technologies exist

You're talking about rocket technology. I already said, "If the goal was simply to visit Mars, that might be viable." The question is a permanent, self-sustaining Mars colony, where the biggest problem is not "Methane engines" but rather breathing oxygen, drinking water, eating food, not getting irradiated, not getting poisoned, not having circulatory problems, reproducing, and surviving in general.

> people dreaming of colonising Mars

Interesting that you use the word "dreaming".


I've been dreaming about getting dirty with young Cleopatra. Expect a working time machine any day now. All I'm currently missing are a flux capacitor and working out some details.


>I've been dreaming about getting dirty with young Cleopatra.

Get in line, plus the benefit of time machines is that you don't need to wait for them to be developed.


> Interesting that you use the word "dreaming"

Intentionally. Hackers dream. I have a background in aerospace engineering. That doesn’t mean I know how to solve the problems of permanent habitation. But it gives me a sense of where the edges are, and while some problems are super difficult (toxicity) others are wildly exaggerated (radiation) and none are blocking. Moreover, many of the processes we’ll need to develop have obvious counterparts on Earth, most interestingly, energy and fuel generation.

The author of the article wants an annual JWST or Cassini. I’d love that. But we aren’t getting it. De-funding Mars means going back to a post-Apollo NASA budget.




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