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Thanks. I don't want to be anywhere near any population centre, the biggest threat by far is masses of hungry people imo. I'll build an open-source food production system with only dependency being sunlight later this year inshaAllah, everything else will be closed loop. I don't think any amount of canned food will cut it either, this is Collapse of the entire civilization we are talking about. Maybe 10 years of canned food will let me and my family ride out the initial population decline, but there's always the possibility that armed groups will take it, not to mention I can't not share it with those in need (read: everybody) as a muslim.


I can’t not share with others, either. To me a collapse means bringing everything I’ve got to the table for my family and community — no hoarding, no hiding. I really believe these skills (hydroponics, basic automation, growing food) will matter if something happens.

People who can help and provide actually stepping up to support less able people is the best thing we can use to prevent real catastrophe, I think.


> to prevent real catastrophe

I guess we'll agree to disagree on this, I don't think we can prevent real catasthrophe. We can prevent some (relatively small) amount of suffering though, and all that matters is we do the best we can. A mind-opening must-read imo article on Collapse: https://medium.com/@CollapseSurvival/overshoot-why-its-alrea...




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