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If it would convince you otherwise, I’m happy to provide citations of third party analyses and Ukrainian defense statements stating Bakhmut had little strategic value months prior and that it was being used to pin Russian troops in a costly offensive.

Edit: the Russia being out of ammo thing was an internal politics thing of Prigozhin claiming Russia MoD was not supplying Wagner with enough ammo. It was not a western talking point. Nor was it particularly true.



I'm happy to distrust every source you'll try to cite, and wait 10 years until this is both over and we obtain enough document leaks that we can more closely approximate the truth than we could using anything available now.


> I'm happy to distrust every source you'll try to cite

This, not AI, is why debate is becoming increasingly worthless.


Then why are you here? You've just explicitly declared this a no-op discussion, where nobody gets convinced of anything.


Well, the first casualty in war is always the truth.


The truth of third party analysis?




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