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That's the problem of reasoning on timescales of civilizations, yeah? You can't really pay attention to transient effects and still make meaningful policies.

For example, consider how many people died mining coal in the past couple of centuries, or how many natives died when colonizing forces spread them diseases or outright committed genocide.

Sure, it's awful, but would the world really be a better place if America were limited to some traders on the East coast? Or if England had never really gotten the Industrial Revolution thing figured out?

We can't really reason in human terms when talking about the species writ large.



We would be able to reason if we had the other historic outcome for the comparison. But since we don't, we go with the "winners don't get judged".

So, as usual, the whole debate will be solved with brute force and whoever wins will get the right to speak like you.


> how many natives died when colonizing forces spread them diseases or outright committed genocide.

Are there really people thinking the Native American Genocide was somehow worth it? That's despicable. Tell me because I'm not sure, you classify the genocide as "transient effect" or "meaningful policy"?

> [...] would the world really be a better place if America were limited to some traders on the East coast?

Irak war anyone? That's how USA makes world a better place.




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