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The teenager who lives like it's the 1940s (bbc.com)
232 points by pepys on Dec 18, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 242 comments


On his 1938 Austin Cambridge which can barely hit 50mph "It's great to drive, there's always a clear road ahead but behind a sea of traffic." I was expecting to hate the kid, but he has me in stitches.


Yeah, the impression I get from the article is that he is self-aware enough to understand he is a bit unusual but confident enough to own it, which I can respect.


Sensitive people on the internet have trained the population to gild jokes too much so that even the most dull headed can be involved. This young man knows the best humor is found when the target isn't entirely certain if you are serious or not.


Welcome to humour. Spelt using the letter U.


One of my former cars had a distinctly police car outline for the time and location that I owned it. When I drove speed limit I noticed a the same effect, especially certain lighting conditions like if I was driving into a sunset. It's a worse situation because some (or many) people are literally afraid to pass what they think is a police car.

As others have pointed out. If not in a rush, driving slightly under the speed limit is very relaxing.


I drove an actual old police car bought at auction which included a spotlight. The problem was more people in front of me slowing down to the speed limit or a little slower, which was annoying.


I owned a Crown Victoria, particularly at night - if I didn't drive 10+ over the speed limit I'd bring the freeway to a halt.

At night I could part the red sea with it (people would just move out of my way if I was going like I was in a hurry) though.


I drive like this all the time, keeping out of the "fast" lane on the highway with the cruise set at 3mph under the limit. Enya CD playing and life's good.


In the western US, going 3 mph under the speed limit would be considered a mortal sin.

But I do see the same effect going a mere 4 mph[1] over the speed limit.

1. I arrived at 4 mph over, because this was the usual answer when I've asked several police officers "How much over the speed limit to I have to drive for you to pull me over?". Their answer nearly always was "Up to 4 mph and you're okay."


In Texas, you can get stopped for obstructing traffic, regardless of what speed you're driving.

So, you can be speeding, and yet still driving slower than the traffic around you, and you can be given two tickets -- one for speeding, and one for obstructing traffic.

Of the two, obstructing traffic is the bigger fine.


How ironic. Has this ever happened?


I always heard it put as (for highway driving) "9 you're fine, 10 you're mine". I do a lot of highway driving and the cruise is always set to 9 over, never had a problem. I just slow up at the speed traps but usually they probably see my first speed before I slow up


My wife rigidly hews to the "10% over the speed limit" standard on the highway. So 6.5 mph over in a 65mph speed limit zone, etc. Never been caught for this. Of course she accumulates an entourage of people crawling up her tailpipe before speeding by rudely, even when she's in the slow lane. Because America.


The magic number I have found is 12 mph over.


4 over the speed limit is definitely the safe zone in California, although having an 11-99 license plate frame still gets you more leeway. I remember when the frames allowed you to get out of driving 90mph.... Good times.


Is this true?


Hum that seems low. Does it depend on the actual speed limit? Going 4mph over when the SL is 30 yeah I get being pulled over, but on a highway where the limit is 65? I think you can easily push to 70/75.


I did some experiments. My record is 3,1 l/100 km at around 90 km/h mostly downhill adding around 30 min to my 2 hour trip.

Not having to take over is the best part of it.


I've been doing some experiments on a bridge on ramp near me. Leaving the bridge, going up hill, the speed limit is 40mph. Approaching the bridge, going downhill, the speed limit is 25mph. There are two lanes, but the bridge only has three total lanes so at different points during the day the right lane of the approach closes and you merge left before using the right most lane of the bridge.

Traffic, of course, approaches the bridge at 40+mph. Semi-regularly there's a police officer pulling people over and ticketing them.

I've begun entering the right lane, whenever possible, and setting my cruise control to a hard limit of 25mph. (Setting a soft limit of 25mph does nothing, as you coast up to 40 down that hill.)

When two lanes are open on the bridge, about 80% of the time when I reach the bottom of the hill at 25mph... I immediately have to slow, and sometimes stop, as the traffic on the bridge is slower. If there was a good bit of traffic with me, approximately 6 cars will have passed me on the hill, and be stopped ahead of me waiting for the bridge to clear.

If there is only one lane, the usual traffic pattern is that some people merge left as early as possible, and others will begin passing in the right lane, usually aiming to pass as much of the line of traffic as possible before merging. This typically leads to stop and go traffic, because as the left lane slows down approaching the bridge they lose any space for a zipper merge, and must come to a complete stop for the detectors to merge in at the last minute.

If I set my cruise to 25 -- the speed limit -- in the right lane, then after a few moments there aren't typically people zipping down the right lane ahead or behind me, and the merge typically happens at about 25-30 mph behind me as people pass me, and there's typically not any merging at 0 mph at the last minute.

About 80% of the time, by the time I get to the bottom of the hill, there's no one left in the left lane, everyone having passed me and zipped away, and I can merge without difficulty.

The failure mode here is that if traffic is significantly backed up in the left lane, either I have to zip past them at 25mph and merge at the last minute, being the asshole, or I merge earlier, into the slow-moving traffic, and abandon my traffic-shaping experiments.


You're not an asshole. It's a lane. Use it.


Yep ... Energy required scales (at least [1]) quadratically with speed, but time to target only linearly.

We noticed that while commuting between two cities over the German Autobahn (A2). I could go 100 km/h and be in sync with the semis, or could go 120 km/h because at that time there are too many cars to go faster.

Going slower was almost two liters gas less per day but increased travel time by only 5-10 minutes.


Yeah, I chortled at that line too.


What a charming individualist young lad! Great contrapunctus to all these TikTok wannabe "'subscribe my channel' influencer" losers that lack any personal style, acting merely as advertising and exhibition space (their room and their body).

His photo reminded me of the film "Harold and Maude", if anyone here has seen it.

Once I'm retired, I would like to digitize my own grandfathers prisoner of war diary, including that episode where they ate a dog so they didn't die from starvation, but it turned out to be the camp commanders dog, so that meal had an enormous price tag in terms of consequences. (Just to point out it wasn't all black shiny cars in the 1940s!)


I read a book years ago about a British soldiers in an Italian POW camp. They caught and ate the German commandant's poodle. Tasted like lamb apparently. The commandant was never sure what happened to it. IIRC.

So wasn't a one-off?


The scene I find most memorable from Harold and Maude [0] is the priest's response!

I consider myself to have seen a lot of films, but it took watching There's Something about Mary for me to discover the film!

[0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=n7qd7UrR5ic


As soon as I get a tenure, hopefully, Before I retire, I want to ditch every screen and live like it’s the nineties


I presume you mean the 1890s... In the 1990s it was rare for a house to have 0 screens. It was much more common to have several - a couple of TVs, a computer, maybe the kids would have a gameboy.

At least that's true of the US.


I guess the main difference with the 90s isn't really about screen count, it's about what you would see/do with these screens.


Yeah I had a few screens mid 90s but most folks had just a TV set in my European country. Some even a video games console as well


He's even a square in his own preferred era. Ditch the Anne Shelton and get yourself some Monk or Bird and an eighth of heroin mate


He's from Fife. Doubt any of those made it there at the time, or probably since

Monk wasn't widespread popular at the time at all - only in niche jazz circles. It'd be about as exotic as you could hope to maybe hear Billie Holiday in somewhere like Fife.


Oi. Fife isn't ENTIRELY about bowling clubs and dogging.


Everything about this is wonderful. I do as much of my writing on a mechanical typewriter as I can, I use a rotary phone, and listen to vinyl records. This kid takes it to a whole new level and I'm so happy to see someone passionate about being a luddite in the new generation


It does feel like putting tech into everything was novel (Cars becoming iPads with 4 wheels) and at some point the scales tipped into mechanical things with the least tech in them are novel (Mechanical watches[1], manual transmissions, typewriters, developing film, INS[2]).

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Speedmaster

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system#Ove...


I want to live in the 90s. CD audio is a little bit nicer tech. They say vinyls release VOCs. There's Internet, but not enough to drown in.


The 90's were such an amazing decade, maybe one of the most perfect in the past 100 years(at least for the US).

You had a outstanding job market for all professions with tech jobs still around if you chose. No wars(besides smaller conflicts in desert storm(91) and Bosnia(98)). Politicians/politics during that time were very moderate, George HW Bush and Clinton both governed from the right and left center respectively. Housing was extremely affordable and if you worked a half decent job you could expect to buy a house in most markets, My Wife's family bought a house in Redwood city and her Dad was in the trades, and Mom worked in printing. A house in the mid-90's in Palo Alto CA would run about $350-400k.

Music was outstanding in grunge(Nirvana, STP, Peal Jam) and hiphop was in its golden age(Wutang, Biggie, Tupac). For TV such classics like Seinfeld, Friends, and Star trek TNG were around. Movies like great sci fi and action movies - Matrix, T2, Jurassic Park and many many others were coming out all the time.

Having been a teenager during that decade I feel really lucky compared to the following decades and how bad they have turned out. The only downside to the 90's was crime was relatively high compared to today, but almost every aspect of life was superior unless you miss social media and glued to a phone(I don't).


What I mostly miss from the 90s is a kind of optimism. Stuff like TV shows and music is pretty banal IMHO, and there's still plenty of good stuff around today (and there was plenty of bad stuff in the 90s too – we just don't remember it as clearly).

But this idea that we might get peace in Israel with the Oslo accords, that the USSR/Russia would no longer be the big "red scare" enemy, that China would be our friend and we could slowly convince them (and Russia) that freedom and democracy was good for everyone, and The Troubles were finally over. Well ... 1 out of 4 held.

Maybe I was just younger, and sure there were going to be problems and challenges, but everything just seemed so much more ... hopeful.

> almost every aspect of life was superior unless you miss social media and glued to a phone(I don't).

That's probably pushing it a bit too far though; trying being gay in the 90s – depending on where exactly you lived that was hugely harder than today. And you could smoke everywhere – it was just accepted. I remember family birthday parties as a child and I would "flee" upstairs because all the smoke just got too much. All the pubs and restaurants: full with smoke. Trains and buses: people smoked. Unthinkable today – that changed very quickly in the early 00s.

And the state of software ... have you seen real-world code from the 90s? Good lord...

There's probably other things I'm not recalling offhand that really were worse in the 90s.


About CDs being "nicer tech", even quite a few people growing up in the CD era disagree with that. Vinyl is more tactile, has bigger album covers, demands more focus in the music (like how it takes more effort to skip). CDs are like an awkward in-between phase between vinyl and downloads/streaming.

Besides it's absolutely not vinyl VOCs that will get you. Compared with health low hanging fruit, from diet and exercize, to stress, bad sleep, to BS substances in modern industrial food and city air pollution, it's beyond insignificant.


As someone who has spanned eras, I don't really disagree. I embraced CDs because they were a lot more practical in many ways, but we did lose something in the process--physicality, album art, etc. The same is true with photography or writing for that matter. Ultimately I've always pretty much embraced the new but I understand why someone wouldn't--especially if forced to live through it.


I thought most people embraced CD's because they were a massive improvement over tapes.


I don't think that's generally true. As someone who was in college during the vinyl era, although I created mix tapes and taped vinyl that others owned, I never did a lot of purchasing of pre-recorded cassettes and I think my behavior was pretty common. Certainly, the "record stores" of the era carried far more vinyl than cassettes.


Fair, but didn't that change once CD players showed up in cars? Some people were certainly buying up loads of tapes (but they did wear out, so some repeats?)


This suggests that cassettes were never a hugely important medium--maybe in the 80s for a while for the reason you suggest?

https://www.statista.com/chart/17244/us-music-revenue-by-for...

Another chart is this one but it's hard to parse. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/music-industry-revenues-by-...

In any case, pre-recorded cassettes were always a pretty small part of the mix.


interesting!


> t's absolutely not vinyl VOCs that will get you

I know, it's playing them backwards :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTpK87Eqzbs&t=10s


Yeah, Seinfeld is my go to mental reference for the perfect time period... and I'm not even a huge fan of the show, having only watched bits and pieces


Eh, I think the early days of broadband and wireless routers were it for me. Being able to have multiple devices in the house use an Internet connection was great for school work and such....but before you had the internet in your pocket at all times via a smartphone.

Early 2000s


I used to live in the 90's, it was alright, I don't particulaly miss it.


> I want to live in the 90s.

Gross

I don't like the values I see in the 1990s TV shows.

However I love the tech, like CDs:

> CD audio is a little bit nicer tech. They

I love CDs! I even got a CD player in my car!

After trying them, I've found I really don't like vinyles or mechanical keyboards so maybe it's not just every 1990s tech I like, just some of it


> I don't like the values I see in the 1990s TV shows.

You think the world is better off now that we've traded Family Matters and Step by Step for the likes of Euphoria?


they're all basic tier slop and pablum aimed at the broadest possible audience based on market testing.


The thing I remember most about the tech is how unreliable it was. Windows 3.1 through to me were terrible compared to what we have now. Also we had to pay for tools like compilers.


Yeah, but on the flip side, you bought software and then used it. You didn't have a subscription to use XYZ on the following terms for the following time periods, unless otherwise changed.

And it was about software, not "behavioral surplus data collection pretending to be useful to you."

You win some, you lose some. But I'd take that era back in a moment.


There's gotta be more one-time-purchase software for sale now than there was in the 1990s.

I agree it was mostly better software, at least in terms of respecting users.

I bought my first Linux distro (Mandrake). It was worth it to avoid the huge download on 56k, and the hassle of writing a CD. Plus Mandrake played pretty well written my system thanks to the '3dfx' drivers.


I also have rotary phones, use vintage radios, prefer vintage appliances, and listen to vinyl.

I thought I was a little odd - nope, I'm just a normal level of odd in comparison.


I’m starting to feel like a lot of people in tech have an outsize love for more vintage stuff.


I like the vintage stuff because its usually easier to operate, and better built.

My vintage west bend percolator makes the best coffee you'll have - it makes maxwell house taste good.

I have 60 year old Zenith radios that work great, and have needed zero parts.


Do rotary phones even work anymore? I had thought (perhaps mistakenly) that support for them was dropped a number of years ago.


I have a functioning rotary phone connected to POTS. I do live in the sticks though. Only issue is automated systems that ask me to dial 1 for foo, 2 for bar, etc. But a lot of those now actually also take voice.


You can play dtmf into the microphone with a separate device



Shouldn’t that still work there if they work for dialling?


No, the dialing on a rotary phone is done by quickly closing and opening the circuit (this means you can tap out numbers by hand on the switch that detects you hanging up the handset).

Press 1 to continue systems require the DTMF tones to be played down the line, either by the phone or any other device held up to it.


I commented [0] on this a while back, there are hybrid adapters that bridge Bluetooth to old handsets. I have an older version of this [1] and a few different phones I've successfully used with it. YMMV

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37484671

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Xtreme-Technolgoies-XLink-Bluetooth-G...


I thought that too. Pulse dialing can’t possibly work anymore. Is OP sure it’s not a retrofit?


The VoIP gateways we were installing a few years ago still supported pulse dialing on the FXS lines. Those gateways supported all sorts of archaic and arcane POTS features. All the classic feature codes (like *69) had support. I think it could be set up to emulate a DMS-100 or a 5Ess as well.

If you have a copper landline from your local telephone company, I'm willing to bet it still supports pulse dialing? Maybe it's 50/50 now?


There are pulse to tone converters: https://www.dialgizmo.com


ha. this just reminded me that some old touchtone phones had a pulse button in case you needed it.


Every POTS phone I've ever seen, touchtone included, has a pulse button. It's the hook switch!


Yes, last year, I setup a real CenturyLink POTS line for my MIL in a condo near me, and tested my rotary phone on the line, and it works fine. That phone won't dial with my VoIP ATAs, even though they say they work with pulse dialing though.

I'm hoping it continues to work when utility power goes out, but we haven't had a long enough outage to test since I set it up.


There are adapters available.


Yea, I went in expecting him to ask for followers / clicks but there was none of that.


"Please subscribe to my monthly mail newsletter, I accept payment in the form of check or money order, or even trades"


I have one with a SIP VOIP converter. I had to add a resistor or the sound was too lound. But it works.


A 500 set is not really well optimized for 40ma+ of loop current.


Am I alone in thinking this is a little strange? If my teenager decided to live their life in a comic book costume, or cosplaying and pretending to be an anime character, I would say they are too attached. There are YouTubers like "ReportoftheWeek" who like to dress in an older style, but choosing to not learn to use a cellphone and bypassing understanding modern technology seems to be going too far.


This is completely harmless and 100% awesome.

This kid has so much character and will have so many stories and connections as opposed to most average kids of the same age.

This world needs more unabashed individualism like this. It leads humanity to richer culture and more discovery.


As his father I would be worried about his dating prospects, but if he had that already sorted out, cool! Lots of easy birthday presents to choose from :D


> This is completely harmless

Except that a 1938 car is a death trap.


So is riding a bicycle on a busy street.

We need to stop coddling and worrying about everything. (I guess we were all raised by helicopter parents and are doubling down?)

In my state practically any self-built car is able to become road-legal. Old cars, rebuilds, kit cars, etc. And it's fine. People are fine.

We're not imposing this choice top-down at a population level. We're not about to have (current accident rate) * (1938 car crash outcome). Someone doing this for fun is bound to be more careful than your average driver.


In the 1950s, there were British "Teds" who affected the clothing of the Edwardian days forty years before. Some of them, I guess, were thugs. But deliberate anachronism isn't entirely new.


And there's a fair subset of this very site's audience who spend time repairing C64s, telnetting into BBSes, and building Gopher sites.


> Am I alone in thinking this is a little strange?

This article wouldn't be upvoted enough for you to see it if you were


Sure it's strange, but I guess the difference is nobody has ever been a comic book or anime character, but plenty of people lived in the 1940s.


as the father of a teenager and a former teenager myself, teens are strange in many many ways. This is about as harmless as it comes though.


> There are YouTubers like "ReportoftheWeek" who like to dress in an older style, but choosing to not learn to use a cellphone

There are also HNers. Count me in the "refuse to use a cellphone" camp.

I want to learn how the hardware and software stacks work, but I don't want to carry one ever.


I do remember having a Blackberry and my IT Manager at the time thought it was crazy to have to reply to emails after work. So I guess there is quite a bit of freedom lost


I'm not convinced, if anything, teenagers of today seem to have less of anything unique going on (note that this may just be perspective, I'm not up to date on teenagers), whereas back when you'd have a number of subcultures.

I mean you mention anime characters, but there's a big greaser / rockabilly subculture in Japan - grown men dressing like they're from the 50's.

Then there's of course the survivalist / homesteader subculture, people who live off the grid. There's LARPers who - usually only at events - dress up as elves and co. There's medieval re-enactors who have full suits of armor. There's renaissance faire people. There's Dickensians. Furries. Peaky Blinders. K-Pop stans. The list goes on.

This is normal human behaviour. While I also think it's a little strange, it's harmless. Let people have things.


> I mean you mention anime characters, but there's a big greaser / rockabilly subculture in Japan.

There isn't, though.

There are probably a dozen or so in Tokyo and about the same number in Osaka. Granted, I don't have an exact number but it is super niche. If you ask a random Japanese person the chances of them even being aware of that subculture is very low.

> This is normal human behaviour. While I also think it's a little strange, it's harmless. Let people have things.

No, it's not. Some of your examples are but going all in isn't normal even if we ignore the fact that being part of a subculture kind of isn't normal by definition. If it were normal we wouldn't get an article about it from the BBC, would we? But what I rather mean is, doing that as a dress up thing or LARPing is reasonable. Using some old items or wearing old fashion for their unique appeal is also reasonable. Putting anachronism above all else isn't normal, though. Those Japanese greasers use mobile phones.

Arguably, we don't know how much of what the article describes is tongue in cheek, and perhaps it's mostly a character the guy is playing. But if not, hating to or avoiding to use modern technology because it's not from the era you happen to like (because of your grandpa's POW diaries, another can of worms right there) is quite off.

I'm not saying he shouldn't enjoy what he's doing or "become like the rest if us" but no, really, it's not normal (and maybe that's okay).


If by normal you mean "part of the norm" I guess not, but so what?

People have hobbies, passions, etc.

What criteria are you using to be the judge of what is harmless or not? What Is reasonable and abnormal?


I think it's a little strange, sure, but if I'm being honest with myself, I'm a little strange too. As a famous cat once said, we're all mad here.

Aside from (maybe?) driving under the speed limit, no harm no foul. Not mentioned in the article, but I do hope he's OK with modern medicine, like the polio vaccine, and will be willing to eschew his aversion to cell phones if his grandmother has to get in touch with him in some sort of emergency...


Apparently it's about going all the way. Wear just a fedora? You're a neckbeard. Go fully 1940s in every way? Darling.


That is very interesting to me. I never understood why people hate so much that neckbeards mix a fedora with t-shirt and jeans. Does anybody get mad at Jensen (from Nvidia) for wearing a biker leather jacket without being a biker?


I think some of it is just the poor aesthetic combination of fedora with a t-shirt and jeans. The fedora feels like an attempt to be stylish without going the full effort to coordinate the look. It’s a lack of self-awareness that probably comes across as the wearer saying “I am now stylish because of this hat” where that clearly isn’t true to an observer.


It's not about the fedora, it's about the stereotype that caused that association to mean something.


It's middle school cliquism. Assuming that stereotypes about clothing tell you everything you need to know about a person.


No, it's plain old pattern matching.

People wore fedoras to identify them as part of a subculture (Reddit gentlemen).

Most people who weren't part of the subculture pretty quickly figured out that removing their fedora meant people didn't assume they were a part of it, so they took it off.

Same thing with hipster glasses, mullets, dreads, swastikas, list goes on...


> Reddit gentlemen

Is that where that came from? It sounds right.

I used to wear nice hats regularly including a couple of fedoras, but I had to retire them because of this.


Except for the swastikas, everything you mentioned is just more lazy stereotyping.

How many times have you met an actual douchebag wearing a fedora? How many times have you heard people saying that all douchebags wear fedoras? I bet the ratio is at least 1:50. It's like how people who insist all vegans are smug outnumber actual smug vegans by a huge margin.


So they just hate neckbeards no matter what and just pretend it's because of the hat?


No you are not alone. This is really strange and unhealthy.


I'm not sure about the bit of him falling in love with the 40s after reading a...prisoner of war diary? Doesn't seem very uplifting.

And though he refuses to enter into the spirit of rationing, he is also in the fantasy world where the Germans aren't bombing and threatening to invade, or there are postwar shortages and cities in ruin. Yeah, I supposed it's OK to like the clothing, cars and other tech, but it seems a not much like the actual 1940s in Great Britain.


That’s how it’s supposed to be? Like you said, real 1940s Britain wasn’t very uplifting. The fact that he’s not imitating all of it is how you know he’s still sane :)


"When I was younger, I looked at my great grandad's prisoner-of-war diaries and I just love everything about the period."

Just IMAGINE saying that out loud.


Yeah, that line came off really strange to me also... being a POW doesn't sound so dreamy to me.


We haven't read the diary. It's possible his grandpa made a conscious effort to focus on the positive and keep it lighthearted.


Agreed but if so it could have used a slightly longer explanation in the article. This line was a bit strange.


The Great Escape movie made it seem quite upbeat.


> and rides a 1952 Raleigh bicycle

My wife has a 1950's Raleigh women's bike we bought ages ago for $50 and it is hands down the most comfortable bike we own.

I own 4 other bikes (a cruiser, an e-cruiser, and two racing bikes) but always grab hers for my errands within ~15 blocks.

Everything about it just feels easy-- it's well balanced, has a great upright sitting position, a super comfy saddle, an easy to use 3-speed hub, big soft tires, and the frame is basically indestructible.

Occasionally something gets out of place or slightly off and I just whack it back into place.


I had to look it up, but yup, that looks the "default" bike model from the Netherlands; you can still get newly made ones, although I'm not convinced the build quality will be the same, the manufacturers will be cutting costs left right and center. That said, if you get them from known brands like Batavus they'll be grand.


> He says he has friends of all ages, although he admits he shares more in common with people much older than him.

The only thing I'd worry about is him getting too obsessed to the point he has trouble relating with others that are from this generation or are younger than himself especially as the number of people familiar with that generation continue to pass away.


I like him in the same way that I like Daria. Cynical enough of modern living that he rejects it as much as he can, with the wealth that he has... but I just hope it doesn't turn him into a snob who turns his nose up at anything mainstream, alienating him from his friends and peers for the sake of his principles. Daria needlessly suffered for her elitism. He seems far more approachable though, I will give him that.


On the other hand if he goes into history or restoring vintage things then he could make name for himself by helping others to be able to appreciate vintage things.


What a character. If only a fraction of people knew and were happy with themselves as much as he is


Most of them are in mental institutions, loving their lives and blissfully ignorant that the BBC even exists.


That's good. Hopefully soon we institutionalize people who wear funny hats OR drive old cars, and not just the people who do both.


This seems to be a growing trend among the sub-millenial generations. Kids have always loved to rebel since the dawn of time. How better to do it at this point than to disconnect? The world will be a better place for it. They might even develop true subcultures again.


I'm all for people living their life as they wish, if they don't harm others, even if there's literally nothing appealing about that for me.


Seeing the ENIAC and EDSAC in operation, meeting Von Neumann and Turing would have been appealing, but that's about it. And those things were accessible to only a select few privileged individuals.


Something most people don't see as an anachronism, but apparently it is:

striking a match

I saw a Boy Scout earning his merit badge in fire-building. His first task was to start it with a match, and then he'd move on to striking a flint, or something.

So he was holding the box vertically, and striking down with the match. A moment's thought will tell you the flame will, quite likely, burn your fingers.


Not if you do it quickly. Never burnt my fingers that way.


not sure this kid was conscious of that.


i always strike my matches down to ensure the flame is burning properly, i rarely need the full match length anyway


> "When I was younger, I looked at my great grandad's prisoner-of-war diaries and I just love everything about the period."

Is this some kind of understated British humor?


Back in the 70s I had a friend like that in middle school. Recently I looked up his address on Google streets and sure enough, there is a 1930s vintage Ford Model A in his driveway.


Kind of horrified at how upset the HN crowd is about this kid, as if he is a horrible sight to behold


> "When I was younger, I looked at my great grandad's prisoner-of-war diaries and I just love everything about the period."

*Everything* ?? Yikes!

It's curious to me that he's not being raised by his parents. Something tragic must have happened here. Is is running away from his trauma?

(Edited quite a bit: others have brought up the point about getting this conclusion from reading a WW2 POW's diary. I wrote too soon -- the bit about not being raised by parents seems much more salient to me.)


Come now. A war isn't the only thing that defines a people and the ways of life in an era. And, you can find incredible stories of character from POW, in the way they hold onto their dignity, help each other, etc. Those that you can still respect in their worst of times, when they show their true character, can easily be role models/sources inspiration.


Sure! Tragedies are also a time where we sometimes see the a response that shows the absolute best of humanity.

I apologize, because I have since edited my comment. I was writing a bit too fast.

My perspective is that this child read a POW diary from WW2, then let's assume that he saw some great examples of humanity, and then decided that "I'll live like it's the 40s!"

It's strange to me to have this reaction. He claims to be a history buff. Where's the realization that the 40s were an absolutely terrible time if you weren't a straight white Christian man? Did he love that part about it? If he's not thinking of that, then he's really deluding himself with rose colored glasses.

This entire story reeks of untreated childhood trauma to me.

Why is he digging into the past so much? His parents are out of the picture. Thank goodness his grandmother is there to raise him. But we know that growing up without parents is its own specific kind of trauma. (Not that growing up with parents avoids all trauma!)

To me, this is a story about an extremely lonely and isolated child.


> straight white Christian man

Do we always need to go there? Most people conscripted to go die like dogs on the front were straight white men.

Of course the guy is living a romanticized version of the 40s, just like people who role play Vikings at the Renaissance faire, so what? He admits himself that he doesn't ration his food and I'm sure he doesn't lynch his black neighbors either.


Why are you triggered by a very reasonable reminder of the truth? You really need to ask yourself why you _all_ you feel is annoyed about something that's still a massive problem for people today.

If you see a comment that doesn't concern you, why do you feel the need to make it your business?


I don’t agree with you either, yet your view is pushed all the time by the slightly provacatively called blue-haired liberals.

Life in the 40s and before that were really hard on everyone. There’s literally no need to start talking about straight white males specifically. It says a lot you completely dismissed his point about straight white males being sent to die in wars and tell him it doesn’t concern him and not to make it his business.


> Life in the 40s and before that were really hard on everyone.

Fact: it was much harder in Western societies if you were not white, straight, male, and Christian. This isn't a point for debate. It's not an opinion. You can either accept the fact, as uncomfortable as it is, and move on. Or you can be willfully ignorant to avoid feeling uncomfortable.

> It says a lot you completely dismissed his point about straight white males being sent to die in wars

Logically, this is irrelevant to me pointing out facts about how Western society operated during that time period.

If you want to be educated, you should read more history books to realize that not every solider was straight and white.

> I don’t agree with you either, yet your view is pushed all the time by the slightly provacatively (sic) called blue-haired liberals.

Thanks for the laugh tonight! I didn't realize you believe that the only people who have enough fortitude to accept uncomfortable facts have blue hair! What a great joke.


>Fact: it was much harder in Western societies if you were not white, straight, male, and Christian. This isn't a point for debate. It's not an opinion. You can either accept the fact, as uncomfortable as it is, and move on. Or you can be willfully ignorant to avoid feeling uncomfortable.

It may be a fact (I question the "much"), but is it a meaningful fact? Or just a dumb rhetorical device to bully and silence people for perceived crimes made by their ancestors?

1. Was there any country in the 1940s, ANYWHERE in the world, where outsiders/visitors were treated the same as the native majority? And for countries ruled by minorities, was there one where the people in power treated people of other races better than they treated the people of their own race?

2. If white men need to be loudly and constantly reminded of the sins of their ancestors (that every other society is guilty of but no one talks about it), then is it OK if white men loudly and constantly remind you about the accomplishments of their ancestors that the whole world benefits from today? Electricity, vaccines, antibiotics, computers, the Internet, trains, planes, and automobiles, TVs, air conditioning... Can you admit that the world owes all of this to white men? That their advances in medicine and agriculture saved billions of lives?

...or would that be an "uncomfortable truth"?


> And for countries ruled by minorities

Whew! There's a lot you need to unpack here. There is no place ruled by "minorities." You might want to take some time to reflect on what your word choice says about how you view other people in the world.

> 1. Was there any country in the 1940s,

This is irrelevant. An answer to this question has no bearing on the fact that I brought up earlier.

> 2. If white men need to be loudly and constantly reminded of the sins of their ancestors (that every other society is guilty of but no one talks about it), then is it OK if white men loudly and constantly remind you about the accomplishments of their ancestors that the whole world benefits from today?

The premise of this is invalid. Why do you incorrectly think that there exists a kind of arithmetic where bad deed in the past + good deed in the past = net good ?

Additionally, why are you taking all of this so personally? Have you personally done any of these "sins of their ancestors" you speak of? No? Then why do you feel any sort of need to defend these sins? I hope you realize that you are not your ancestors.

> It may be a fact (I question the "much"), but is it a meaningful fact?

It's meaningful so that people can realize that there's a choice to be made. Knowing the past empowers people in the present to decide if they want to continue or fight against unjust inertia.

If you choose to be misled about what actually occurred, or are in the unfortunate position where everyone else around you is deluding themselves and thus impart that delusion onto you, then you may find yourself in a position where you don't understand the world.

> Or just a dumb rhetorical device to bully and silence people for perceived crimes made by their ancestors?

Do you feel like you're being silenced? Why?

> Can you admit that the world owes all of this to white men?

You talk about things you believe are solely due to people of a particular race - you say "the world owes all of this to white men" without realizing a couple of key facts. First, due to systematic racism, it was outright impossible for non-white folks in European (and colonies thereof) to be in positions to make any sort of contributions to these things you mention. Same thing applies to women.

This is what people mean when they point out that racial and gender diversity is important. You will never have inventions and discoveries take place by folks that are explicitly excluded from the institutions that gate keep these functions in society.

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Overall...I fear that you are falling into the trap of believing that there's any genuine, natural validity to the artificial construct that is race. Race does not exist in nature. Ancient Europeans invented the concept of race, around the same time they invented the concept of Capitalism.

In reality, people have different complexions as a result of their exposure to UV light. They inherit genes from people that control the production of melanin in their skin. If you have ancestors that had lots of UV light exposure, then the genes that will be passed down to you will cause your skin to produce more melanin to safely absorb more UV light. That's it.


>Whew! There's a lot you need to unpack here. There is no place ruled by "minorities." You might want to take some time to reflect on what your word choice says about how you view other people in the world.

In your haste to virtue signal with the bingo card you brought from Twitter, you either forgot what the word 'minority' actually means, or forgot that there absolutely were/are countries ruled by groups that were ethnic minorities in that country. For example Rwanda up to the mid 20th century was run by the Tutsis who were only 15% of the population. What am I supposed to use to describe them, if not 'minority'?

>The premise of this is invalid. Why do you incorrectly think that there exists a kind of arithmetic where bad deed in the past + good deed in the past = net good ? Additionally, why are you taking all of this so personally?

Since people like you keep bringing bad deeds from the past, it's only fair that good deeds be brought up too. I personally do not judge anyone by the history of their ancestors. But evidently you do (or you wouldn't be going on about historical racism), so within your worldview, I expect you to be consistent and not a hypocrite. If you bring up the bad, people can bring up the good. Simple as.

I can't take it personally, if only because I'm not white and come from the other side of the world. But I have a sense of justice and I dislike seeing people treated worse than others because of the color of their skin. Which is what I think you're doing with your targetted snipes at white people, which I strongly doubt you do at other ethnicities with the same shortcomings.

>you say "the world owes all of this to white men" without realizing a couple of key facts. First, due to systematic racicm, blah blah, women, excuses excuses

I don't get it, do you agree with that factual statement or not? I see you're giving excuses for why that fact is a fact, but I'd like to see if you still have a foot in reality or not, by seeing you say "yes I agree with that fact, we owe most of our advances to white men" or "I disagree". If you disagree, then please let me know why, so I can flip your argument against you to absolve current white people for whatever original sin you think they're guilty of.

Also, what about in non-European countries? Why didn't any of those countries invent the sort of things that save billions of lives?

>I fear that you are falling into the trap of believing that there's any genuine, natural validity to the artificial construct that is race. Race does not exist in nature

Although I don't treat anyone differently due to their race, there are definitely biological differences between different ethnicities, and anyone who claims there isn't, even if they are so-called distinguished American """scientists""", is simply trying to gaslight me for political correctness' sake. I roundly reject appeal to authority when it comes to anything even slightly infected by American humanities majors, because those professors aren't doing science, they're doing politics and careerism.

Otherwise how do you explain that Olympic sprinting is dominated specifically by Jamaicans and West Africans?

I certainly don't go around talking about white men's accomplishments normally. It's only when I see white people under attack for ancestral sins that I use this counter-argument. Basically you set the tone of the discussion and I counter-punched. If you had acted like a pleasant normal person, and didn't try the woke religion's favorite activity that is dunking on whitey, we wouldn't be having this conversation.


Was life easier for a white male coal miner or for an upper middle class woman?

What was the life expectancy of men vs women in the 40s?

Throughout History the only thing that makes life easier or harder is which social class one belongs to. Not sexuality or sex or anything else.


The root of your misunderstanding is thinking that things being worse for non-white folks implies things had to be great for all white folk. Privilege in society is not a binary.

> Throughout History the only thing that makes life easier or harder is which social class one belongs to.

Racism, sexism, and classism intersect. Saying that only one of these 3 social phenomena exist is false. If you're intellectually curious and want to learn more about the world, I encourage you to read up on intersectionality. You can find lots of wonderful resources on this topic, starting with the original work by Kimberlé Crenshaw.


From the NY Times obituary of Tom Jones, writer of the book for the long-running musical "The Fantasticks":

"""

As Mr. Jones put it in his memoir, "Sometime during my sophomore year at Coleman High School, I became a 'character'" -- wearing bow ties and a straw hat to school, smoking a pipe, signing his articles for the school newspaper "T. Collins Jones, Esquire."

"Even now, nearly 70 years later, I can't help but stop and wonder what the hell I thought I was doing," he wrote. "Even more, I wonder at the fact that the other kids -- farmers mostly, and ranchers and 4-H girls -- took it all in their stride."

In 1945, when he enrolled in the drama department at the University of Texas, "for the first time, there were other people actually like me," he wrote. "Here, marvel of marvels, everybody was T. Collins Jones, Esquire."

"""

Perhaps this kid will get to the university and find his tribe.


And here am I, having my kids miss out on stuff all the time because I cannot keep up with regularly checking the 5000 WhatsApp groups that have formed around their lives. Although whenever I do check them, all I see is petty messages and emojis. I don't know how other people stay on top of it all...

"The simple life" is a very attractive thought. Few dare to subscribe to it for real like this feller does. Respect.


He's probably happier than most!

I hate grappling with advancing a career vs "doing whatever I want." The problem is, whenever I play video games or try to decompress, I feel like I'm forcing myself. This guy has seemingly no qualms about it. For that, I'm jealous.


I mean, being a teenager might have something to do with it.


I was expecting the car to be much more expensive then what was stated.


Owning a car like that is so expensive they have little resale value. The upholstery should be relatively easy to restore but the older a car gets, the harder it is to find other spare parts from junkers.

Most of the mechanical parts have to be made custom from machinists who specialize in collectible cars. Sometimes a part breaks that no one has made in decades so you have to hire someone to locate old drawings or create them from scratch, pick the materials, figure out the QA process, and so on.


If he restores it, it probably will be.


Old doesn't necessarily equal expensive. In terms of actual drivable cars from that era, collectors would put a real premium on cars eligible for the Mille Miglia.


One wild dream of me is to start living my life from the beginning of micro computers (Altair) and pretending that I'm in the 80s.


I just feel like he went "over the top." Is the kid taking modern medicine? There are things that seem like they were better back then, and things that seem like they're better now. I guess I just don't get the all-or-nothing philosophy. Why not pick and choose the best parts of each time period?


I'm in awe of his devotion to the cause.


Until he beats up a few German tourists /s


Then I'd still be in awe of his devotion to the cause.


If not in greater awe. ;-)


I think in the UK there wasn't too much beating up of Germans. My parents / grandparents were Germans in the UK during that period. We mostly just dropped bombs on the ones of the other side of the channel.


is eschewing technology a wise move if you plan on participating in modern society? i'm wondering how difficult he's making his life later. like, if he can't use a mobile phone or computer what careers are realistically open to him?


Wondering if AI is going to lower the bar for him. Instead of tapping on screen, clicking on a mouse, or typing on a keyboard, we could soon just talk to a computer. Most of modern careers are basically learning how to communicate to a computer. AI could make some of those skills obsolete letting more people to communicate to computers.


Vintage car restorer / driver? I dunno, I think if you can't think of a job that doesn't require a mobile phone or computer, you lack imagination.


Is it eschewing technology? He uses 1930s-50s tech.

Or is it an escape to some "better" time? And if so, escape from what?

When MAGA folks want to live like it's 1950, that's bad, but this is good?


I admire this gentleman immensely.


Why?


Individuality and a good sense of self in an increasingly hyper connected, and visually judgmental world.


And I thought that driving a manual car from 2005 makes me old-fashioned.


It's even got synchros! :p

I drive, among other things, a 1930 Willys 8-80D. It's got a non-synchronized three speed, and it's amazing how many people just assume it has to be a clashfest. No, you just learn to double clutch properly, and... actually, even most people who drive manuals these days don't understand enough about the system to make sense of double clutching. :( But on the older transmissions, I double clutch up and down, and life is quiet.

That engine (a 4.0L straight 8) also passes the "nickel test" - I can start the engine, and balance a nickel on edge on the head while it idles.


You actually can float the gears if you're good, no double clutching required.

I learned how to drive a stick in a semi-truck - no synchros there - it makes it hard for me to drive a synchronized one.


Oh boy is he gonna have a tough time once he's starting his career, not having embraced any sort of technology.


> He has the original invoice showing the car cost £215 in 1938, the equivalent of about £18,000 today.

Wow. $22K USD inflation-adjusted for a hand-made car in 1938. Cheaper than cars that are made by robots today. You'd think that after 80 years of technological progress and automation, they'd cost less than $1000 by now. What is going on? Surely this makes a strong case that modern poverty is artificial and done on purpose.

And how can a kid barely out of school afford to buy all this stuff? I swear some people are living in a parallel universe.


The BBC misspelled LARP.


£7,000 for that car is not an expense, it's an investment.

In addition, the good thing about cars up to the 90s, and perhaps later, is that there are fixable with the manual. There is electrics but no electronics or software.


When you get into vehicles this old, the main problem is locating replacement parts, or having them fabricated.


Meh, at least for really popular models there's a host of aftermarket spare parts, and in a pinch you can fabricate or repair most of it yourself - the vehicles were designed to accomodate DIY and "in the field" repairs, as there simply was no such thing as a nationwide network of brand-contracted repair shops.


Once you get into the 40s or older, it can be pretty hard, particularly if you want to stay stock. It is significantly easier to have things fabricated than later tech (or learn to do it yourself).

You may find a love of digging through old stuff at swaps though.


It's a great place to live where you can save 7k with part time jobs beside high school.

There's a great selection of fine cars with low level of software, but ECU-s started to appear in the 70's and 80's to control various aspects of the cars. I assume you associate software in cars with displays, but by the time they started to appear, there were tons of software already in those ECU-s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_control_unit


Do you understand what 'investment' means?

It means that if he maintains ot he will probably be able to sell it at a profit some day.

Having had a 90s car myself I will not bother with the second part of your comment.


Care to explain how did you end up assuming I'm that ignorant? I simply admired where he lives.


> "I couldn't tell you a modern singer if you asked me," he says.

Not sure about music but in architecture 'modern' was already in 40s.


modern

adjective

1. Of or relating to recent times or the present.

"modern history."

2. Characteristic or expressive of recent times or the present; contemporary or up-to-date.

"a modern lifestyle; a modern way of thinking."


Stop being dense on purpose. The OP was obviously talking about this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism


That is what timeon meant, yes. It’s not what the bit timeon quoted meant.


80s rock is considered classic now.


It was a really jarring moment when I forgot my phone a couple weeks ago. I listened to FM radio for the first time in years. The oldies station. The one my mom listened to all the time that played a mix of Big Band, Doo-wop, and some 60s rock.

But what I heard was Smells Like Teen Spirit.


Yeah. Life comes at you fast doesn’t it?

My son, who is 17, said that they were talking about “the late 1900s” in class the other day and I could almost feel my body turning into dust.


I work with people half my age now. Some of them have bigger titles than me. And they couldn't tell you what an AT command or a segmented memory address is. I am practically the crypt keeper.


Brace yourself, but the classic rock station around here plays tons of stuff from the 90s and even early 2000s.


How does he fill his free time?

I'd call that the #1 distinction.

These days it's the ubiquitous volcano of entertainment : social media, youtube etc.

Back then it was what, bake brownies?


Books, film, radio, live music, socializing, hand crafts, day job, church, etc. What do people that aren't into (social) media do nowadays? Same thing.

Don't worry, people won't sit around and be bored.


Read, write, tinker.

Build things from wood. Build things from metal.

Learn an instrument. Play music.

Play sports. Ride a bicycle.

Listen to the radio. Listen to an album. Watch television.

Host a party for friends. Play social games. Perform parlor tricks.


My mom used to say, "We didn't have any money, but we had fun."

She went dancing a lot. That's how she met my dad.


I used to be more creative before scrolling.


Part of me wants to do this.

Maybe with the 1990s.


Quite the panty dropper.


Get this boy MKUltra'd right quick lets see what he turns into.


This made my day!


When I see this I worry that he's become codependent or "parentified" by his grandmother and is becoming the kind of man who would have been her father or her peer when she was younger. Not sure we should be celebrating this when it's impacting his ability to function in modern society. It's probably not a coincidence that the boy "beyond obsessed" with the 40s has been raised solely by his grandmother.


Ohh common... This is completely unnecessary speculation. People are quirky in all kinds of ways for all kinds of reasons. Me and my girlfriend brought a century home, but neither of us were raised by grandparents, we both just like history and feel happy when there's history around us... Lots of people are unique interests they pursue as adults.

From watching the video it sounded like this guy was simply interested in cars as a child and took a fancy to older cars.. It's quite understandable that he then decided to fulfil his childhood dream of owning one when he reached adulthood. I know guys who were obsessed with guitars as kids then when they got their first job brought all the guitars they dreamt of. I know did same thing with computers and computer bits when I got my first job. I even know a guy who liked steam trains as a child so after he left college decided since he's always liked trains he'd work on them.

I guess what I'm saying is that this is far more likely to be a kid who grew up simply liking cars so brought a car that he liked as a kid when he got a bit of money as an adult. I suppose it's possible there was something emotionally harmful about how he was raised which caused him to like different things from other kids, but it certainly wasn't obvious from the video... It seemed like he was a loved child and understood he had unique interests. Plus, he seemed happy and socially well adjusted, so good for him.


It seems obvious to me when he outright mentions loving his great-grandfather's diaries and that the obsession didn't start until he moved in with his grandmother. But yes, it's speculation. I would rather ask a lot of questions before showering a kid with positive attention for something that might have been an adaptation to an unhealthy relationship.


Isn't his grandma from the 60s though?

I agree by the way if that was the case, even though you have cases like Beckham, Beckham's father was obsessed by football and Manchester United and so became his son, but you could see David loved football with all of his heart (and excelled at it).


When I see this I think a clever kid and his grandma have fooled a BBC reporter.


Not sure I'd go that far but do wish the story had a few more details. Did the reporter talk to his friend/girlfriend, or to any of his peers? Lots of people own vintage cars. Lots of people collect something. Some people own vintage clothes. Even if he intersects the three, that doesn't mean he's a complete Luddite.

> We always watch old films together, he's in love with Ginger Rogers," Anne says.

Maybe I'm being pedantic, but UK TV licenses didn't exceed a million until the early 1950's [1], so he's cheating at least a little.

> "I was forced to have a laptop for college, and I hated it."

Past tense. What is/was his major?

On some level I find this positively charming. If I had a time machine, I'd visit the 1940's, too. But I likely wouldn't stay for more than a few weeks at a time. Even Gary Sparrow eventually found it boring. [2]. Hmm, I wonder if he's ever seen "Goodnight Sweetheart"?

> Callum has lived at his gran's house since he was 12, after his grandad, John, suddenly passed away. He's kept her company ever since.

That's also the same year he bought the hat. So this would appear to be a reaction to his grandad's passing? It's not necessarily the reporter's job to play psychoanalyst, but I would have liked more details.

From what I can tell, Kirkcaldy isn't exactly rural, but if his ambition is to run the local animal shelter or local museum, I think he'll do fine. He's just 19 and has plenty of time to decide his life's direction. And should I ever visit Fife and encounter him, I'd be happy to stop for a game of checkers, darts, etc. I was a little kid in the 1970's, before home computers, the internet, ATM's, and cable TV, and could go back and do it again. Tech isn't everything. As I think some have remarked, it may just give him a clearer head.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodnight_Sweetheart_(TV_ser...


Yeah I thought that. When I first saw it I thought "weird, silly kid" and then when I learned he lived with his grandmother I got the ick and realised there was a much deeper problem.


As someone that was parentified by my father. Yeah, I can totally see that.


What does "parentifying" means?


Parentification or parent–child role reversal is the process of role reversal whereby a child or adolescent is obliged to act as a parent to their own parent or sibling.

Two distinct types of parentification have been identified technically: instrumental parentification and emotional parentification. For instance, instrumental parentification involves the child completing physical tasks for the family, such as looking after a sick relative, paying bills, or providing assistance to younger siblings that would normally be provided by a parent. On the other hand, emotional parentification occurs when a child or adolescent must take on the role of a confidante or mediator for (or between) parents or family members.


Doesn't seem like grandma is a luddite, TFA says she has a cell phone while he refuses. I just wonder what kind of job he's going to have? These days even guys in the trades are usually carrying a cell and a tablet and using them pretty regularly throughout the day.


The 40s style probably reminds her of her father. Kids are smart and can pick up on that even if they don't fully understand what's going on.



I've had similar feelings as that essay. If you ask me, it doesn't have anything to do with my point. Also, it's good to make sure kids who exhibit strange behavior are not adapting and contorting themselves to fit unhealthy relationships. There are plenty of perfectly healthy ways to be weird or abnormal. Being too defensive about that is a great way to be neglectful.


Is this like a current year concern inspired by some netflix show I don't watch?


Seems to be an unpopular opinion to see this as child abuse and brainwashing. Sad. He’s going to have quite a rough life as he grows older.


Pretty big jump to make from the article. There have always been people around who embrace anachronism, and teens who find unusual ways to differentiate themselves.

I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, but we have nowhere near enough information to make such a judgment.


Also, both could be true. It doesn't have to be this binary situation where he either was or wasn't "parentified." Isn't everyone a product of their experiences? Seems another reasonable is that of course he was influenced by his upbringing. AND he had fpund something with which he identifies and takes joy. May it cause him grief over time? Maybe, bit the same thing could be said for lots of things adolescents do.


> There have always been people around who embrace anachronism,

TBH I love tech from the 1990s and before: CGI, terminals, sixels etc and I refuse to carry a cellphone (though it's ok to have one at home, plugged 24/7)

I didn't realize it before, but I now I can see how I embrace being anachronistic :)


That’s just good taste, technology peaked in the 90’s, before dark patterns infected everything. The 40’s were a while ago.


https://gwern.net/improvement has a good counter to that particular argument.


I posted it on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38689459#38689872 along with a summary of this discussion to provide context



I'm not fully retro (I use Wayland for hyprland) but I'm sure there must have been some great stuff in the 1940s.

It's just that I don't know it. Maybe if I did, I would love it like he does?


I took it as a speculation, if that comment is true, then ...


> I took it as a speculation,

Ok but it's pretty groundless speculation then.


It gets worse, it seems even his great grandfather was participating in the abuse from beyond the grave. From the article: "When I was younger, I looked at my great grandad's prisoner-of-war diaries and I just love everything about the period."

Even his teachers were getting in on the sickening brainwashing operation: ""Callum went away on a school trip when he was about 12 and came back with an old-fashioned hat on," she says. "I thought it was funny, and I just asked him, 'Where did you find this?'. "He said 'that's the way I want to dress, that's going to be me'. "Ever since then, that's just been Callum," his mum says."


Minimizing it like this is a great way to neglect kids.


I don't think it is, but you havent really given me anything to present a counter argument against... i just dont think there is any abuse for me to minimize, if it wasnt clear from the sarcasm oozing off my previous comment


Well, I went through this and didn't even see it as abuse/neglect until I was 35 and trying to figure out why I couldn't form relationships with others.


I wasn't raised by my grand parents, only visited them 5 to 6 weekend a year, but I was fascinated by their art deco furniture, bakelite door knobs, their old fridge from the mid 1940's and the old faucets in the bathroom and I loved seeing pics of their outfits back in the days.

I also contemplated the idea to buy an old car of the era. My grandfather's old cars would have been out of reach of my pocket[1] so I can relate.

I would have however totally incorporated tech into old design, making old radios work with my flac collection and connectable with bluetooth for example, or converting an old peugeot 402 to EV.

Our societies have progressed a lot in a century in many ways. However as far as design and elegance goes, I think even the richest person of the planet tend to look like crap nowadays with the modern outfits.

[1] some selling for literally millions of dollars nowadays at auctions.


Ironically, he’s going to grow in the new 40ies


I think the real unpopular opinion here is that our current brand of technological progress may be a net negative to society.

Humans, without substantial biological modification, do not seem ready for a technology driven quasi-utopia. Keep the biotechnology and pharmacology, keep the industrial robots and keep the private space programs but remove the inexpensive personal computation, omnipresent high-bitrate packet radio networks and with them all of the anti-societal behavior they support.

TL;DR This kid is closer to hyper-sane than brainwashed.


He seems happy and doesn't appear to be hurting anyone else. I'm not sure he needs strangers psychoanalyzing him.


He could also just be on the autism spectrum? Or maybe he just likes old things?

There's plenty of people that get obsessed over uncommon things that I'm not sure I'd jump to the "parentified" conclusion.


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The kid gets to drive around his collectible car in peace like someone living in a civilized society?


Yup


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> It stinks of hypocrisy to me having this kind of regressive behavior on a site called "hacker news"

Not sure how long you’ve browsed the site, but this isn’t particularly uncommon.


I feel sad for how he will simply fail to adopt to new technology and be as utterly helpless at 30 as boomers are now. They can barely do a Google search.

It’s not okay to find this stuff funny. Technology is a fundamental part of society.


Personally speaking I've never purchased/owned/used a cell phone and yet I feel I have more familiarity with the underlying technologies than probably 95% of cell phone users today.

I don't believe whether or not someone has adopted a given technology has any kind of clear correlation to their understanding of it or ability to use it were they to elect to. I know plenty of people who are up to date with the latest fads and yet dumb as rocks.

I think the kid will be just fine.


Which society? 34% of world’s population hasn’t even got Internet access


As if the average zoomer has any more technical knowledge beyond using their smartphone to scroll through social media than the average boomer.


(Don't take this comment too seriously, it's mostly tongue in cheek)

I was kind of wondering how racist this kid is and then I got to this paragraph and expected it to address the elephant in the room:

>However, Callum told the BBC's Good Morning Scotland programme - via his 1940s Bakelite rotary-dial telephone - that there is one thing from the post-war period he definitely does not do.

but it goes on

>"We don’t ration,” he says. “I like my food too much for that."

oh, okay.


I believe that's not something that should be celebrated. It's exactly the same as someone decides to live as a character from the future or from dnd. Probably he will not be able to integrate within the society and possibly will end up being the 'weirdo' one at best. Possibly he missed someone that simply told him that that's not normal or a wise choice. Possibly he missed someone with eyes to see that that's a no go and with a voice to make him reflect about that. I wish him all the best. Sorry I'm not one of the team of the politically correct/everything is valid because it seems like a choice (but it's not).


He seems happy with his choice of life. He might enjoy his life, even without internet, modern music or technology. Interesting experiment for sure.


My hypothesis is that it's not a choice, thank you for your comment!


> Probably he will not be able to integrate within the society and possibly will end up being the 'weirdo' one at best. Possibly he missed someone that simply told him that that's not normal or a wise choice. Possibly he missed someone with eyes to see that that's a no go and with a voice to make him reflect about that.

Yeah, I met plenty of guys like you in high school when I started wearing a trenchcoat.

I seem to have come out all right. And now I'm an actual grown-up and nobody cares whether I'm "normal" or a "weirdo" by high school standards.


But just think of how much worse you would have turned out if nobody had constantly pointed out how much of a freak you are for wearing a trenchcoat! /s

More seriously, this perfectly parallels the myth around the supposed utility of "fat shaming". People who dislike fat people justify their harassment of fat people by claiming that NOT making fat people uncomfortable will just make them get fatter / make others get fat as well because they would then think being fat is okay. On the other hand actual research shows that fat people are often self-conscious about their weight to begin with and being shamed actually contributes to behaviors like emotional overeating or avoiding physical exercise (e.g. even avoiding walking anywhere because being in public opens you up to negative comments).

The hard truth about hard truths is that they're usually bullshit. Being a dick does not help your victims, it just hurts them. Punishing your child does not help them grow thicker skin, it just makes them emotionally broken. Letting poor people starve does not encourage them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, it just makes more of them suffer and die. Ignoring child mortality does not lead to better family planning, it just leads to more dead children.

If the kid wants to be a little 1940s freak, let him be that as long as he doesn't hurt anyone. If there's genuine worries about his guardians manipulating him, that's tangential at best and troubling in its own right, 1940s or not.


> If the kid wants to be a little 1940s freak, let him be that as long as he doesn't hurt anyone.

My personal philosophy is not only should we let people be wildly different, we should encourage it. It's nice to have different experiments running. I don't trust the average opinion to have arrived at the correct answers for anything. Maybe this kid will figure out something important from his lifestyle, and share it with us.

I similarly like nationalism because it helps preserve distinct cultures, despite having some drawbacks. The more distinct cultures, the better, IMO.

If the main criticism of this kid is "he should be more like everyone else"...I just fundamentally disagree. He should not. I wish more people would make their own choices, and quit trying to achieve what everyone else says they ought to.


> I similarly like nationalism because it helps preserve distinct cultures

That's not what nationalism does, though. In the sense of liberatory and separatist movements (e.g. Catalonian, Scottish, Kurdish), sure, but in the more common sense (e.g. Russian, German, British) it's an oppressive collectivist movement that actually tries to eliminate local cultural diversity by imposing a rigid interpretation of "the national culture" and suppressing any deviation from it. Even in seemingly homogeneous European countries you have language minorities (not just dialects: e.g. Sorbs/Wends are a group native to Germany but culturally distinct and speaking a different language in addition to German, which is imposed as the national language).

I think what you describe sounds more like what Democratic Confederalism strives to do, i.e. form bottom-up self-governing groups via a system of delegation and confederation. This doesn't require a state (which "nationalism" usually implies, often with strong authoritarian undertones in the name of protectionism) and it doesn't require top-down control. Democratic Confederalism is actually best suited for regions that are culturally heterogeneous and would pose difficulties for central governments (e.g. Lebanon, which went out of its way to force a proportional political representation of Christianity and the two major Islamic traditions in order to do justice to its distinct religious-cultural minorities but still ended up with Hezbollah).

Ultimately it's not a lack of "nationalism" that is creating global cultural homogeneity but the commercialization and commodification of culture: Hawaiian religious practices are converted into generic Tiki torches and flower garlands made in China and sold at Walmart, German Karneval and Oktoberfest become beer binges and so on. Local customs are sanitized, decontextualized, synthesized and replicated as a commodity until the original is lost and only the copy remains and has become interchangeable. This is what "cultural appropriation" originally means: creating a no-name knock-off version of someone else's culture and selling it as a commodity, often resulting in the knock-off existing beside the original in direct competition and eliminating it through the power of the market (because a focus group tested sanitized plastic version will easily outcompete the original).




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