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> - With whom did Mary go? - With John and I! (what? why?)

Or, equally painfully, "With John and myself!" (What? The speaker was also the subject of the sentence?)

THB I'm pulled between two incompatible positions:

(1) Nobody has a right to define "proper" English language. The language's grammar is literally however a plurality of people use it.

vs.

(2) There is a "proper" English; it's what we were taught in elementary school in the 1970's. Failing to adhere to those grammar rules (e.g., when to use "myself" or "whom") is objectively incorrect.

This article [0] seems to capture my thoughts nicely.

[0] https://thewritepractice.com/cs-lewis-language/



I don't find that use of "myself" painful, provided it's done in the right context / dialect (I heard that used at lot in Ireland)




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