>Literally no one

I can see most people, and by that I mean the rest of the world outside Techiestan and Hacker News, will want or perhaps even need this feature.

Having the computer literally show you what you were doing is super duper handy for Joe Average who doesn't computer and certainly doesn't care about learning to computer.

Even Joe Average will appreciate how fucking creepy this feature is when they surface private information that they never told the computer to store.

No. But people do want large action models and for that you need a training dataset, which is what Recall will provide.

Remenber this Key & Peele sketch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0lUbqDrFWU

NSFW

Will be a lot easier with Recall

That model would have to be trained locally since the data never leaves the device

So they say..

This is some serious tinfoil hattery.

The data is not small. If it was being uploaded, you'd notice.

If screenshots were OCRed and then only text was uploaded, I doubt you would notice anything.

Pssst... You can extract metadata from data and then train on those "anonymized" metadata ;)

> This is some serious tinfoil hattery.

microsoft regularly makes promises about privacy and telemetry, and regularly breaks them. They have been multiple law suites about this.

In germany we say "Wo ein Trog ist, sammeln sich die Schweine", especially in the discussion around recall.

Have they lost any of those lawsuits?

So it only counts as going back on their word if they lose a lawsuit about it?

Sure, or if there's any evidence that these aren't just BS allegations. The signal to noise ratio in this space is 0

So just as an example, Facebook's login page has "it's free and always will be" prominently displayed. Your logic is that if Facebook switches to a purely subscription model and avoids getting nailed in court for lying specifically (either through legal gymnastics or by settlement), then they didn't actually lie? And if Recall is "supposed" to be analyzed on-device but all your personal information somehow makes it to MS servers, they haven't lied to you unless someone successfully sues them in court?

They have it in their absolute authority to push out a patch at any time that will make the data be uploaded, even if it isn't right now.

Exactly. People don't want certain things but also want an ai to do other certain things and don't realize the path to 1 is thru the other.

We can discuss how this has been implemented all day (and probably agree), but decades in IT have taught me that people use computers differently, especially now that the level of literacy needed to operate one is almost zero.

I am good with terminal, browser, NP++ and few other programs, while some people don't even know the existence of a file system hierarchy, or want to touch things to interact with them instead of typing.

Mr. Thefz, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Yet you fail to argument your point.

I think it's a very cool idea. I wish Linux had this.

To be fair I also presently have several hundred tabs open and never delete anything.

To be fair neither Windows nor AI need to have anything to do with it, there's someone in the thread who streams their monitor to a NAS and runs it through OCR

I do. In fact I already record my screen and steam it to my NAS for automatic time tracking and OCR search. It'd be nice to have a less a less janky solution.

I'm kinda surprised people just throw away their history. I love being able to restore deleted posts as long as I remember a few words of the content

in all kindness, you're such an incredibly niche example of actual usage of this, that only proves it should've been opt-in instead of opt-out. I don't need to know what my tabs were 3 months ago. I don't need to treasure my precious history of browsing amazon for vacuum cleaners.

There are two types of computer users in this world. 1 billion tabs forever and BleachBit obsessives.

I get anxiety if I don't restart my devices daily.

I'll agree they are an incredibly niche example of actually using this... but only because ways to do this right now are incredibly niche. The rest remains to be seen.

If there hadn't been decades of normality of browsers storing history then people, particularly those in tech circles, would absolutely flip their shit if it were announced as part of Edge. There would be mass revolts on these forums if it would sync with the cloud. It makes measuring how popular a concept would be difficult as what is niche today and what is wildly unpopular with tech folks today may or may not have any relation whatsoever to what will be popular with users in the long term.

Recall gives one such example I'd like it for in the intro paragraph on the feature's page:

> Recall’s analysis allows you to search for content, including both images and text, using natural language. Trying to remember the name of the Korean restaurant your friend Alice mentioned? Just ask Recall and it retrieves both text and visual matches for your search, automatically sorted by how closely the results match your search. Recall can even take you back to the exact location of the item you saw.

Of course you're welcome to say this isn't a legitimate scenario for you, just as someone might say no situation is legitimate for them to need browser history, but that doesn't mean there is no legitimate scenario for consumers in general. It also doesn't say much from you beyond "I don't like it".

It is ~opt-out~.

EDIT: I meant opt-in.

Surely all the computer illiterate people will disable it and not get spied on then, right, right??

To me it's weird that people need a history at all. It's always been disabled on my browsers and I never felt the need for it.

Browser history makes my browsing incredibly more efficient and is the number one reason why I copy my Firefox profile on new computers.

It lets me find back pages I know I browsed in the past with a (few) keyword(s) in the address bar without firing a web search, which might not return the same results as last time. Like, what was the exact crêpe recipe I followed last time?

The alternative is bookmarks but then you need to think of bookmarking the page at the time you access it, but you don't always know you will want to go back to a page later.

It also makes it very efficient to reach pages I visit frequently. Unfortunately it also makes procrastination very efficient, with slacking off one character away ('n').