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>a guy who would go on to write that women shouldn't get wage equality because they would have to work more dangerous jobs and thus die more, because apparently saving the lives of man by making those jobs safer is impossible.

I think it can be true that we should make those jobs safer and that it makes sense to pay dangerous jobs more.

I really am curious what the people that disagree with me think. Do you think that danger shouldn’t be compensated?



I know plenty of dangerous jobs that are poorly compensated. I don't know many millionare inner city convenience store clerks.

Jobs compensate employees according to how much they can get away with exploiting their employees.


You are arguing against a claim you made up yourself, best of luck getting that conversation somewhere useful.


I’m not sure what you mean. I thought I was responding to the plain meaning of the text I quoted. What claim did I make up?


That someone claimed those were opposing aims.


Of course someone did. The clear and obvious interpretation is saying that “making the jobs safer” is an alternative to “a group does more dangerous jobs and dangerous jobs should be paid more”


What? You explicitly want people to die?


It's more that I don't see the relevance of that to the subject being discussed.

If dangerous jobs are paid more, what does that have to do with the gender pay gap?

And, let's face it, two of the most dangerous jobs around at the moment are teaching and nursing, both of which are predominately done by women.


> let's face it, two of the most dangerous jobs around at the moment are teaching and nursing, both of which are predominately done by women.

Not even in the top 10. 2024 numbers:

Logging – 100.7 per 100,000 workers

Roofing – 57.5

Fishing and hunting – 50.9

Construction trade helpers – 38.5

Air transportation – 35.9

Delivery trucking and commercial trucking – 30.4

Refuse and recycling – 22.6

Iron and steel – 21.3

Mining – 20.1

Agricultural workers – 20.0


These are just deaths. I wonder also about exposure related hazards.


I wonder what happens to get those numbers for the air transportation industry? I definitely didn't expect it in the top...


I had a friend who worked on the ramp at SFO. Saw him real shook up after work, said he saw a coworker drive one of their carts under a plane while looking elsewhere- and got his head cut off.

It's a very physical job with a lot of powerful machines.


The fallacy (...ish) in these conversations is that men and women always work the same types of jobs. Which you pretty much just admit isn't really the case, which your "teaching and nursing" comment.

Ultimately, it turns out, men have a combination of typically choosing higher-paid careers and also being more demanding in terms of compensation. At the end of the day I can't hold a gun to women's heads and make them become engineers. If they want to be teachers, then so be it.

But wait! That doesn't mean that there isn't discrimination at play. Because typically jobs that are predominantly women are lower paid. It's complex, because:

1. Typically, there ARE some value/toughness differences in the job. Being a nurse is "easier" than being a doctor. But how much? Are we certain we're dividing the pay equitably?

2. While men have these higher paying jobs more, men aren't more educated. At least, not anymore. What could be the factors leading women to receive education in fields that are less economically viable?

Also, while there is a pay gap, this isn't the only gender gap. Clearly, job distribution across gender is very complicated. For example, men make up 97% of workplace deaths. Why do men choose these jobs more? Is it biological, social, economic, or all three?


>If dangerous jobs are paid more, what does that have to do with the gender pay gap?

Men do far more dangerous jobs than women




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