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> Self-identified "conservatives" are pushing this wave of censorship and autocracy

Are they? MAGA has made it a point to purge the former GOP of conservatives.



I'm gonna need a source for that with specificity to the "conservative" self-identification.


You’re the one who made the claim that “self-identified ‘conservatives’ are pushing this wave of censorship and autocracy.” Isn’t the burden of proof on you?

In any case, we have polling around non-MAGA Republicans [1]. And contrasting Trump 1 and 2 seems to show how having non-MAGA Republicans, many of whom identified as conservative and didn’t endorse the 2020 coup attempt, makes a difference.

[1] https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econtoplines...


Here's one example of the MAGA crowd self-identifying as conservative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Political_Action_...


> Here's one example of the MAGA crowd self-identifying as conservative

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply no conservatives are MAGA. Just that I would be surprised if a majority of self-identifying conservatives identify with MAGA. (I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of former conservatives were now MAGA.)

The difference is meaningful, because by unifying MAGA and conservatives one loses resolution on a powerful breakaway faction. (The main reason we had a free and fair election in 2020 is because some Republicans upheld their oaths to the Constitution.)


This just in, the National Socialist Party of Germany in the 1930s is not actually Socialist !


> the National Socialist Party of Germany in the 1930s is not actually Socialist

Good comparison. One of the victims of the Night of the Long Knives were the Strasserists [1][2]. It’s absolutely legitimate to point out when the German Socialist movement was coöpted by Hitler.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism


No true socialist could do such a thing.


> No true socialist could do such a thing

You’re really going to reduce a historical event to platitudes?

What people call themselves matters. It may not be strictly correct. But it’s an identity, and that predicts how they’ll align in a crisis or movement.


It was a reference to "no true scottsman"


> It was a reference to "no true scottsman"

I know. A platitude is a trite and obvious remark.

Whether the Nazis are true socialists is a red herring. The point is the people who called themselves socialist before the Nazis were systematically purged by the Nazis once they coöpted their party. It would be incorrect to say self-identified socialists were responsible for everything the Nazis did; it would be correct to say they enabled them to rise to power.

Most importantly, however, would be observing that right before the Nazis consolidated power, it was the former socialists who could have been peeled away, potentially to huge consequence.




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