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Try painting with a less broad brush. I agree that we're experiencing the endgame of the Republican political operatives scorched-earth divisive tactics, but to insist on tying all their latent supporters to that is a grave mistake.

Imagine for a minute, if you will, that there are reasonable people who believe in some conservative values, but don't examine the rest of the party platform (or its results) all too hard. Now imagine that by pointing out where Trump falls short or is even directly opposed to those values (eg 2nd amendment), you might actually make them come around to seeing that we need to oust this autocratic child-raping anti-American scumbag. That would be a good thing, right?

I do get that Trump is just the tip of the Party's spear, and the whole pantheon of corrupt congresscritters / supreme council members / corporate backers really needs to go down with the ship. But that didn't work for 2024, and I'd say at this point we're losing our society and our country faster at a faster rate that those enablers' reputations are being damaged, so that seems like a terrible strategy. First and foremost, we need to stop the hemorrhaging.



i live in a town full of Republicans. Some are more soft spoken than others, but to claim that any of them are not MAGA (which would mean they actually did not vote for Trump) is simply ridiculous. the "non-MAGA republican" is basically a few hundred famous podcast hosts who were ejected from the power they had under the Bush regime. That's pretty much it.


> but to claim that any of them are not MAGA

> (which would mean they actually did not vote for Trump)

There is a difference between these two things, no? I've talked to people who voted for Trump subsequently regretted it after they saw what he is actually doing. Low. Information. Voters.

Our goal should be to leverage this difference. It's self-defeating to simply assume everyone that voted for Trump in 2024 continues to support cozying up to middle eastern autocrats, covering up the Epstein case, bully pulpit led cryptocurrency fraud, middle of the night raids on entire apartment buildings, deploying National Guards to occupy American cities and attack protestors, deliberately inhumane treatment of deportees while mostly letting businesses continue on as usual, etc. Or even that they support things that Trump did in his first term, like attacking the second amendment (eg his leadership around Kenneth Walker / Breonna Taylor).

Of course some of these topics are more subtle and lend themselves to propaganda bubbles. Like dwelling on the concentration camps probably isn't the best idea, since it's so easy to shut off one's empathy. But these are the angles of engagement we need to be looking for - unless we're just going to watch our Constitutional Republic being destroyed for four years, while hoping there might be some pieces left to pick up at the end.


> It's self-defeating to simply assume everyone that voted for Trump in 2024 continues to support cozying up to middle eastern autocrats, covering up the Epstein case, bully pulpit led cryptocurrency fraud, middle of the night raids on entire apartment buildings, deploying National Guards to occupy American cities and attack protestors, deliberately inhumane treatment of deportees while mostly letting businesses continue on as usual, etc.

Is there any evidence that there is any significant group of people who voted for Trump but are opposed to any of those things?

Because the evidence I've seen suggests that each of those things increased support for Trump anong his base, and the only open question is "By how much?"


Did you miss my sentence right before that?

> I've talked to people who voted for Trump subsequently regretted it after they saw what he is actually doing.

Don't focus on his "base". They're demented slobs like him, or foreign AI-bots boosting destructive messages to harm our country.

Focus on the people who were misled into thinking the grass would be greener on the other side, as they were frustrated with the status quo and believed Trump's word salad implied some actual reform.




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