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> Obama's campaign promises (not to be confused with his actual politics once in office) demonstrate that positive, progressive change is a perfectly popular political position.

But as you said, Obama didn’t govern the way he was perceived to have campaigned. And up and down this thread people express their disillusionment with him. Including you.

So I’m not sure how Obama campaigning to the left of how he governed makes the case that without Democrats moving to the center they can successfully turn out the number of supporters needs to win national elections. Unless we keep electing people then throwing them out next cycle because they didn’t govern like they campaigned (which is which I think we’re going to see for the foreseeable future)

Also this was almost 20 years ago. The country has gotten significantly more polarized since then. I’d make the case that since Obama the democratic part has failed to move to the center, but instead clung to identify politics. And in the case of presidential elections anointed the nominees rather than give citizens a real chance to choose them.

Hope I’m wrong, since Democrats don’t seem to be moving to the center and I also don’t want federal governments like this one. But I’m not convinced I am.



Obama won off his campaign. That suggests that enough people agreed with his platform to vote for him. He didn't win additional votes by shifting to the center: he shifted to the center after already having received said votes.

And polarization of the voter base helps that argument: people want real, radical change. On both sides of the political spectrum. The right is having their demands heard through the rise of Trump's fascist tendencies. The Democrats need to notice that the "moderate" Rebuplicans were more willing to vote for a fascist than for a moderate Democrat, and re-evaluate their platform.


But the change many people want is not immediately achievable, at least not without a period of intense suffering as a result of drastic upheaval (read: war). It defies basic laws of humanity.

You seem to suggest that politicians like Obama failed to achieve all their campaign promises, even though they could have. I suggest that they could not have. that it wasn't a bait and switch, but rather laying out an aspirational vision and then trying to achieve as much of that vision as reality allows for given the many needs and competing interests that co-exist in the world at any given time.




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