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Blaming Bush is justified because he lied about WoD. Obama pulled out in 2011, the date Bush agreed to in 2008.

Are you referring to 2014s invasion because of ISIS?



I'm not referring to any specific actions or commenting on who did what. I summarized what I've observed to be the common perception, which is that Iraq and Afghanistan were "forever wars" conducted against the informed consent of the American public, and a spectacular failure of our institutions and both party establishments.

If that sounds lacking in nuance, well, I never claimed to believe American political discourse was particularly nuanced ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Are both parties equally responsible?

Shouldn't discussions be as nuanced as possible if change is expected?


Of course they're not.

Ideally they would be, but I haven't observed that they generally are and wouldn't make such a claim.




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