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Big Dr Oz fan eh? Got any quotes from Oprah or other HNers to balance the epistemic master class?




even a broken clock can be right every now and then

> even a broken clock can be right every now and then

But a broken clock isn't a reliable indicator of time: You don't know when it's right unless you have another, known-good indicator — in which case just use that other one.


No the opposite. I trust Monsanto, they know this chemical better than anyone.

I wouldn't really trust either one. Plenty of big companies have known how horrible their own products are, like cigarette companies, or fossil fuels. We'll probably learn about social media companies in a few years.

That said, just because a product comes from a big company doesn't mean it's bad either. I want to see independent research.


We already know about social media companies (allegedly, at least):

> Meta buried 'causal' evidence of social media harm, US court filings allege [0]

> In a 2020 research project code-named “Project Mercury,” Meta scientists worked with survey firm Nielsen to gauge the effect of “deactivating” Facebook, according to Meta documents obtained via discovery. To the company’s disappointment, “people who stopped using Facebook for a week reported lower feelings of depression, anxiety, loneliness and social comparison,” internal documents said.

> Rather than publishing those findings or pursuing additional research, the filing states, Meta called off further work and internally declared that the negative study findings were tainted by the “existing media narrative” around the company.

> Privately, however, a staffer insisted that the conclusions of the research were valid, according to the filing. “The Nielsen study does show causal impact on social comparison,” (unhappy face emoji), an unnamed staff researcher allegedly wrote. Another staffer worried that keeping quiet about negative findings would be akin to the tobacco industry “doing research and knowing cigs were bad and then keeping that info to themselves.”

[0] https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulat...

Edit: it was discussed here a few days ago [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46019817


Is this sarcasm or are you seriously saying you trust Monsanto on a thread about them committing scientific fraud to influence our perception of their product?

Sarcasm, given the previous comments.

This is a really interesting point that I cannot help but equate to Phillip-Morris understanding tobacco better than anyone in 1975.

Got any hot tips from Marlboro I should read as well?

Thank You for Smoking !

Great movie, opened the Santa Barbara International Film Festival years back.



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