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Not all of Italy, only the South. That's why the biggest party in the north is a secessionist party. A lot of cool stuff comes out of the North, like Arduino.


I lived in the Veneto for 4 years, and I would say the north is definitely corrupt. I've seen business people turning up at the commune to hand over bags full of cash without uttering a single word. Places of business burnt down because they the owners didn't have "approval" from the right people. Council officials just blatantly asking for money to make something happen. Try buying a house in the Veneto, you have to do it illegally.

Also, I bumped into a lot of Lega Nord people (the secessionist party) while I lived there and generally found them to be little more than racists and fascists. When I had to obtain my Permesso di Soggiorno, a group of us, all english turned up on the same day. We were all given 2 year stamps, except my black friend. They would only give him 6 months. I found the north of Italy to be jaw dropingly racist across the board.

At least, that was my experience. Don't get me wrong, I love Italy, but it's only because I let myself be blissfully ignorant of it's fundamental flaws when I'm there.


Unfortunately you are right.

I was born and still live in Veneto and the amount of racism against immigrants (lately it's common to blame the Chinese, North Africans and Romanian for everything wrong in society or economics) is depressing.


This is bullshit, let me tell you. Corruption is everywhere in Italy: North AND South. Public sector AND Private sector. I am Italian, from the North, I lived in Milan for years and I am married with a woman from Rome: I know what I'm saying...


Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, as I have no idea about this, but I'm not sure being Italian is evidence that you are an expert on Italian corruption...


"Expert" is a relative term. He may not know all the intricate details. But having to live in the system he has first-hand knowledge, and not being part of the system (apparently) he has no personal reason to hide its dirty secrets. Also, his experience is likely to be typical for other people like him. This, I would say, makes him a great source. Then if an "expert" wants to perform a scientific study or in-depth journalistic investigation or some other thing "experts" are supposed to do, the said expert would need to contact him and other like him, for knowledge. Which he, thankfully, has freely shared with us here.


Corruption in Italy is hardwired in the behavior of people and their approach to life. It's enough to live in Italy for a long enough time to understand how people reason and why corruption is so widespread.

Obviously, being Italian doesn't make me an expert in corruption from a legal point of view, but I am pretty positive to know a bit about Italian mentality and facts confirm that corruption is as common in the North as it is in the South (I can cite my sources, if necessary.)


Chances of an Italian being an expert on Italian corruption far outweigh the chances of other nationalities being experts on that subject.

So even if it isn't ironclad evidence it definitely moves the posterior probability towards 'expert'.


for the record: the last major of milan was, for lack of better word, "impeached" after it was found out her son had built an abusive "batcave".

The current governor of lombardia and the whole council is in a corruption and vote marketing scandal.

The head of the secessionist party for the last twenty years left his role after it was found out he and his son had been using the party as a revolver bank account.

And, noticeably, the Dear Leader Silvio Berlusconi is from milan.

There is a lot to say on the north vs south in italy, but saying "northern italy is not corrupted" is as silly as it gets.


Holy cow, the plot of Sin City (Politician's son builds a rape/torture chamber, and the son is protected from punishment because the politician wants him to produce an heir) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401792/) actually really happened in Milan?


ah I'm very sorry for the misunderstanding, no.

I meant abusive as in "abusive financial practices", a synonim for illegal (per merriam webster), not abusive as in "physical abuse".

Please excuse this non native speaker for making something look worse than it was :)


Isn't Berlusconi from Milan ?


If we're talking like that, doesn't south Italy get Redis?


what "biggest party", the one which was allied with Berlusconi?




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