for your kids safety, would you rather do 30,000 miles in HW4 FSD in a Tesla or hand driven in any other car of your choosing? doing 30K miles in a waymo isn't an option.

Driving myself. Which I do, partly because I refuse to support Musk if I can avoid it, and partly because I think their engineering is deeply unethical and unserious.

You’re avoiding the point of the question. Do you think you hand driving in any other car is safer for your kids than having fsd drive? Yes or no.

If you’re answer is fsd is safer for your kids then fine, you choose to trade off some (maybe marginal safety) in order to not support a company you don’t like. I understand that. If your answer is that hand driving is safer, then I don’t know how to convince you otherwise because having used it and seeing the published data it’s so much obviously safer than me driving. And I’ve been driving for 30+ years

I thought I was clear that I don’t trust their engineering and I don’t think their approach to safety is at all serious, but I’ll try again.

I believe I am much safer than FSD.

The vague bullshit safety “data” they release is extremely unconvincing, particularly from a company known for lying.

Is that clearer?

Yup