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«Uncivilised»

Compared to what? European and other western countries with significantly higher crime rates?

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North Korea has a crime rate of approximately 0%. That doesn't make it more civilised than western europe.

Prisoner conditions have nothing to do with crime rates. What is the connection?

Avoiding being a criminal due to fear of being subjected to those conditions?

When the punishment for a crime is morally worse than the crime itself I think there is a problem.

The punishment should be harsher than the crime. Stealing an apple might not be a "big problem", but it sets a precedent that taking someone else's property is acceptable under some circumstances -- say, the relative value of said object.

I'm not talking about the severity of the punishment I am talking about the moral wrongness of the punishment itself.

Torturing someone for a month for maybe stealing an apple, keep in mind you haven't even been charged with a crime yet, is a morally bankrupt system.


Morals are relative. I happen to align with Japan's morals, and wish Norway would take inspiration from it. We're on the far opposite end of the spectrum.



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